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Interesting story. As someone who is interested in this, uh, subject, it is astonishing the number of "Air Ship" sightings that were reported in the latter quar

Interesting story. As someone who is interested in this, uh, subject, it is astonishing the number of "Air Ship" sightings that were reported in the latter quarter of the 1800's. Sightings on the ground and in the sky of Air Ships that moved very fast, even vertically and against the wind and had powerful search lights that turned night into day so to speak. Anyway, there is much written about this with some great research done by John Keel.

seanw444 4y ago
There are an awful lot of UFO/UAP sightings by the Navy in the last two decades. And they largely ignore them. There's a consistently-reported "sphere-inlayed transparent/translucent stationary airborn cube" aircraft that the Navy gets hundreds of reports for by its pilots. And the number has been growing year-over-year. Only a few have been seen with the human eye. The majority are seen via instruments. They know they're the same type of aircraft because their flight styles (or rather, the lack thereof) are identical to the ones seen in person. They were largely undetected until the Navy rolled out some more advanced sensors/instruments relatively recently, and now they see "flocks" of them flying in formation, or sometimes individuals stationary and unaffected by wind patterns. Is it aliens? Birds? Foreign drones? Experimental drones from higher echelons of our own government? Nobody knows. That's why it's actually interesting. Because even the Navy can't say it has an answer. But almost nobody seems to be interested in finding out, for some reason, despite them routinely flying in our restricted airspace without permission.
- zzzeek 4y ago
  What kind of instrument can detect that an object is translucent / transparent that is not in fact a camera, and therefore has photographs ?
  - seanw444 4y ago
    Radar. And I didn't mean to say that the instruments can detect the translucence. I meant that the ones that were seen in person were translucent, and have similar behaviour on radar to the ones that were seen in person, thus it can be assumed that they are likely the same class of objects. Another interesting detail that I forgot to point out: the one that was recorded by a Navy fighter's FLIR (public record, you can find it easily) had virtually no heat coming off of it, while simultaneously being unaffected by the wind and gravity. Which is reason enough for raising eyebrows on its own. Again, I'm not immediately jumping to aliens or anything. I just want it explained adequately, because it seems to defy current capabilities.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Maybe it's all a prank/hoax perpetrated by pilots and tolerated by Navy command, who perhaps see some value in muddying the waters about what's real or isn't real, sowing doubt about the technology America might have, confuse America's rivals. I've noticed that the people who think the alleged Navy sightings are genuine seem to generally believe that Navy pilots are beyond reproach, all work no play, never perpetrate hoaxes, never misread their instruments, never get deceived by their own senses, etc etc. From listening to them, you'd get the impression that the testimony of Navy pilots is the firmest sort of scientific evidence. Well I've met a small number of Naval aviators, and I can tell you that although they were professionals, they were also human. Punking the public for shits and giggles is a real possibility with them.
  - seanw444 4y ago
    Absolutely possible. I'm not discounting that either. I just want a decently-funded investigation and explanation for all of it. Just to know for sure. The "gimbal" craft's recording is still unexplained, for example, and from what it appears, it defies our understanding of physics.
    - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
      It's probably a projection https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=72e596db1074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
    - agarren 4y ago
      Mick West put together what I found to be a pretty enlightening and convincing analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs Ultimately, it remains an unidentified flying object, but between West’s conclusion and a physics defying anomaly, I’d lean squarely towards the former.
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        Mick West's analysis is very convincing. I don't think any of the publicly released videos show anything exotic. It's possible the pilots were deceived, perhaps through wishful thinking. Or the pilots understand the videos are mundane but guessed that laypeople might mistake the videos for something exotic and decided to have some fun.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Sounds more like the new set of instruments has a similar artifacting pattern. It would be like saying "Until we got modern multi-lens cameras, we did not realize there are multiple suns, but they are invisible unless you use our new sensitive equipment. These suns move rapidly around the field as you move the camera and provide light but no heat" about lens flares.
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  Tyler Rogaway wrote about the possibility that these "cube inside a sphere" floating objects are actually a specific kind of radar reflector. There are patent drawings in the article that are worth more than 1000 words. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-th... ETA: the balloons are designed to reflect radar beams from surface ships/submarines that make them appear to be performing all sorts of incredible maneuvers on radar, which is pretty much exactly what you describe here.
  - phs318u 4y ago
    Fascinating article (especially the anecdote from the Cuban missile crisis), though it's worth noting that they state these objects don't explain the tic-tac video.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
      These reflectors and a projection technology similar to this [] could be used in tandem. Testing it on service members is logical and has of precedent. The potential of realistic holographic projection over long distance is terrifying though. The navy’s change of course on the reporting of sightings could be due to poor reporting from their members. American adversaries, or even the ultra rich could also be behind these projects. Criminal organizations have more dirty money than they can spend, why not fund research when labs at sea can be easily paid for with dirty money in the right jurisdictions? [] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=6943e3631074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Interestingly enough the Navy has a patent to make UFOs that look real on radar and other sensors. [1] This seems like a good explanation as to why the Navy disproportionately has these sightings. It is possible the people who have made statements don't know about this technology or didn't know it was being used. It would also explain why the higher ups don't seem to really care to find answers. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=6106f09d1074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
- tgflynn 4y ago
  > But almost nobody seems to be interested in finding out, for some reason, despite them routinely flying in our restricted airspace without permission. Congress seems very interested in finding out. There is legislation in both the 2022 and 2023 Nation Defense Authorization Acts (NDAA) that mandates government investigation of UAP. An unclassified report was supposed to be delivered to Congress last October but for unknown reasons it has been delayed.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  Legends[0] say that the translucent sphere is from light refraction due to the vacuum generated around the craft. The cube inside is the actual craft. 0: https://www.uaptheory.com/#3_Background_Lensing https://www.uaptheory.com/#3_Background_Lensing
- zzzeek 4y ago
  do the navies / air forces etc. of other nations also report events like these? how about USAF? Non-military observers, weather airplanes, etc? I always hear it's "US Navy" but it would seem odd aliens have a predilection for popping in front of only one very specific military organization on the planet.
- crapaud23 4y ago
  Paul Bennewitz & Richard Doty Bennewitz detailed his assertions to the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, who regarded him as a deluded paranoid. UFOlogist William Moore claims that he tried to push Bennewitz, who had been in a mental health facility on three occasions after suffering severe delusional paranoia, into a mental breakdown by feeding him false information about aliens.[1] In 1988, his family checked him into a psychiatric facility.[3] Former special agent for the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations Richard Doty claimed that in the 1980s he was tasked with hoaxing documents and feeding false information to UFO researchers, including Bennewitz.[4] Richard Doty is featured in the 2013 documentary "Mirage Men", a film alleging "how the U.S. government created a myth that took over the world. UFOs, and weapons of mass deception."[5] > That's why it's actually interesting. No, what grabbed you attention is that their is some governmental authority behind this. If that wasn't the case, your comment reading as someone whose interest in UFO emerged from the Navy stories, you wouldn't bat an eyelid.
thedorkknight 4y ago
Skeptoid did an article on this story. It appeared with a bunch of other stories in that newspaper that were pretty clearly jokes. >In one, an "aerial monster" landed in a field, piloted by men from New York. In another, the crew consisted of lost Jews from the ten tribes of Israel who told a judge they'd come from the North Pole. https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4241 https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4241

seanw444 4y ago

There are an awful lot of UFO/UAP sightings by the Navy in the last two decades. And they largely ignore them. There's a consistently-reported "sphere-inlayed transparent/translucent stationary airborn cube" aircraft that the Navy gets hundreds of reports for by its pilots. And the number has been growing year-over-year. Only a few have been seen with the human eye. The majority are seen via instruments. They know they're the same type of aircraft because their flight styles (or rather, the lack thereof) are identical to the ones seen in person. They were largely undetected until the Navy rolled out some more advanced sensors/instruments relatively recently, and now they see "flocks" of them flying in formation, or sometimes individuals stationary and unaffected by wind patterns. Is it aliens? Birds? Foreign drones? Experimental drones from higher echelons of our own government? Nobody knows. That's why it's actually interesting. Because even the Navy can't say it has an answer. But almost nobody seems to be interested in finding out, for some reason, despite them routinely flying in our restricted airspace without permission.

zzzeek 4y ago
What kind of instrument can detect that an object is translucent / transparent that is not in fact a camera, and therefore has photographs ?
- seanw444 4y ago
  Radar. And I didn't mean to say that the instruments can detect the translucence. I meant that the ones that were seen in person were translucent, and have similar behaviour on radar to the ones that were seen in person, thus it can be assumed that they are likely the same class of objects. Another interesting detail that I forgot to point out: the one that was recorded by a Navy fighter's FLIR (public record, you can find it easily) had virtually no heat coming off of it, while simultaneously being unaffected by the wind and gravity. Which is reason enough for raising eyebrows on its own. Again, I'm not immediately jumping to aliens or anything. I just want it explained adequately, because it seems to defy current capabilities.
LarryMullins 4y ago
Maybe it's all a prank/hoax perpetrated by pilots and tolerated by Navy command, who perhaps see some value in muddying the waters about what's real or isn't real, sowing doubt about the technology America might have, confuse America's rivals. I've noticed that the people who think the alleged Navy sightings are genuine seem to generally believe that Navy pilots are beyond reproach, all work no play, never perpetrate hoaxes, never misread their instruments, never get deceived by their own senses, etc etc. From listening to them, you'd get the impression that the testimony of Navy pilots is the firmest sort of scientific evidence. Well I've met a small number of Naval aviators, and I can tell you that although they were professionals, they were also human. Punking the public for shits and giggles is a real possibility with them.
- seanw444 4y ago
  Absolutely possible. I'm not discounting that either. I just want a decently-funded investigation and explanation for all of it. Just to know for sure. The "gimbal" craft's recording is still unexplained, for example, and from what it appears, it defies our understanding of physics.
  - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
    It's probably a projection https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=72e596db1074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
  - agarren 4y ago
    Mick West put together what I found to be a pretty enlightening and convincing analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs Ultimately, it remains an unidentified flying object, but between West’s conclusion and a physics defying anomaly, I’d lean squarely towards the former.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Mick West's analysis is very convincing. I don't think any of the publicly released videos show anything exotic. It's possible the pilots were deceived, perhaps through wishful thinking. Or the pilots understand the videos are mundane but guessed that laypeople might mistake the videos for something exotic and decided to have some fun.
renewiltord 4y ago
Sounds more like the new set of instruments has a similar artifacting pattern. It would be like saying "Until we got modern multi-lens cameras, we did not realize there are multiple suns, but they are invisible unless you use our new sensitive equipment. These suns move rapidly around the field as you move the camera and provide light but no heat" about lens flares.
matthewdgreen 4y ago
Tyler Rogaway wrote about the possibility that these "cube inside a sphere" floating objects are actually a specific kind of radar reflector. There are patent drawings in the article that are worth more than 1000 words. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-th... ETA: the balloons are designed to reflect radar beams from surface ships/submarines that make them appear to be performing all sorts of incredible maneuvers on radar, which is pretty much exactly what you describe here.
- phs318u 4y ago
  Fascinating article (especially the anecdote from the Cuban missile crisis), though it's worth noting that they state these objects don't explain the tic-tac video.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
    These reflectors and a projection technology similar to this [] could be used in tandem. Testing it on service members is logical and has of precedent. The potential of realistic holographic projection over long distance is terrifying though. The navy’s change of course on the reporting of sightings could be due to poor reporting from their members. American adversaries, or even the ultra rich could also be behind these projects. Criminal organizations have more dirty money than they can spend, why not fund research when labs at sea can be easily paid for with dirty money in the right jurisdictions? [] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=6943e3631074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
_-david-_ 4y ago
Interestingly enough the Navy has a patent to make UFOs that look real on radar and other sensors. [1] This seems like a good explanation as to why the Navy disproportionately has these sightings. It is possible the people who have made statements don't know about this technology or didn't know it was being used. It would also explain why the higher ups don't seem to really care to find answers. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=6106f09d1074 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-nav...
tgflynn 4y ago
> But almost nobody seems to be interested in finding out, for some reason, despite them routinely flying in our restricted airspace without permission. Congress seems very interested in finding out. There is legislation in both the 2022 and 2023 Nation Defense Authorization Acts (NDAA) that mandates government investigation of UAP. An unclassified report was supposed to be delivered to Congress last October but for unknown reasons it has been delayed.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
Legends[0] say that the translucent sphere is from light refraction due to the vacuum generated around the craft. The cube inside is the actual craft. 0: https://www.uaptheory.com/#3_Background_Lensing https://www.uaptheory.com/#3_Background_Lensing
zzzeek 4y ago
do the navies / air forces etc. of other nations also report events like these? how about USAF? Non-military observers, weather airplanes, etc? I always hear it's "US Navy" but it would seem odd aliens have a predilection for popping in front of only one very specific military organization on the planet.
crapaud23 4y ago
Paul Bennewitz & Richard Doty Bennewitz detailed his assertions to the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, who regarded him as a deluded paranoid. UFOlogist William Moore claims that he tried to push Bennewitz, who had been in a mental health facility on three occasions after suffering severe delusional paranoia, into a mental breakdown by feeding him false information about aliens.[1] In 1988, his family checked him into a psychiatric facility.[3] Former special agent for the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations Richard Doty claimed that in the 1980s he was tasked with hoaxing documents and feeding false information to UFO researchers, including Bennewitz.[4] Richard Doty is featured in the 2013 documentary "Mirage Men", a film alleging "how the U.S. government created a myth that took over the world. UFOs, and weapons of mass deception."[5] > That's why it's actually interesting. No, what grabbed you attention is that their is some governmental authority behind this. If that wasn't the case, your comment reading as someone whose interest in UFO emerged from the Navy stories, you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

thedorkknight 4y ago

Skeptoid did an article on this story. It appeared with a bunch of other stories in that newspaper that were pretty clearly jokes. >In one, an "aerial monster" landed in a field, piloted by men from New York. In another, the crew consisted of lost Jews from the ten tribes of Israel who told a judge they'd come from the North Pole. https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4241 https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4241