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As a trans person I hate all half-assed inclusion measures, on top of the fact if I point this stuff out I sound like one of the 'bad ones'. It just made everyt
by AnEro 4y ago
As a trans person I hate all half-assed inclusion measures, on top of the fact if I point this stuff out I sound like one of the 'bad ones'. It just made everything confusing whether it is asking for sex or gender. Medical stuff sure I'll disclose everything cause it's relevant to me getting good service. However, there are so many companies that want to just obviously use the info for ad revenue... What features are you bringing me that are improved cause you know my sex? What features are you bringing me that are improved cause you know I'm trans?
- ShredKazoo 4y agoWhat would an acceptable inclusion measure be?
- counttheforks 4y agoNot asking.
- ShredKazoo 4y agoThis user disagrees fwiw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269
- kgwxd 4y agoIf no one was asking in the first place, no one would be left out. There are obviously places where it's relevant to ask, in which case, an open text field with no list of "normal" options should be sufficient.
- luckylion 4y agoThe answer is obvious. First: ask the user for their opinion about asking users about their gender, then ask or don't ask.
- aidenn0 4y agoI think "asking for pronouns" as that user mentions seems like a reasonable place to land. It has a clear potential use, and isn't confusing about what it is asking.
- deelowe 4y agoWhat should the option be when I'm searching for clothes and I want to filter out dresses and blouses?
- counttheforks 4y agoMasculine, Feminine, Male cut, Female cut, etc. Notably you'd ask this when the user is searching for a specific product, not during signup.
- BaseballPhysics 4y agoA filter list by garment type that lets you filter out dresses and blouses?
- gardenhedge 4y agoSo then you get trousers. One made for a male body and one for a female body...
- BaseballPhysics 4y agoLet me filter by style, waist, hip and in-seam. Frankly, that'd be a hell of a lot more useful. Maybe I'd actually be able to buy something that fits...
- chucksta 4y ago
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago[flagged]
- counttheforks 4y agoBefore I respond to your post, I need you to fill out this questionnaire so I can correctly tailor my post to your identity: * Race * Gender * Sex * Age * Eye color * Breast size * Size of reproductive organ Wouldn't want to accidentally be prejudiced! So, to make sure my reply is fully-inclusive, please let me know this information. Thanks. --- Please don't actually do that. My point is to demonstrate that you can be perfectly non-prejudiced without obsessing over race and gender. And once you start that obsession, it looks a hell of a lot like you are prejudiced.
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago[flagged]
- counttheforks 4y agoI haven't asked once yet. Consider this the first and only time.
- runarberg 4y agoPrefer not asking at all. If you have to ask then a free optional text field. If you cant clean the data, then have three options: Female, Male, Other (specify), picking “other” will add another optional free text field. That’s it.
- xeromal 4y agoFree text?
- AnEro 4y agoPronouns if you don't need gender/ads but want a personal experience, then add gender for ad stuff and disclose it, if you don't need sex. Use modern terms where sex is referring to biology and gender as identity. Just avoid labelling and getting personal information all together when ever possible. When they do label I want it to just be the scientific definitions to keep things standard.
- nmz 4y ago[flagged]
- rideontime 4y agoI don't understand this comment?
- nmz 4y agoIt means any discussion will end up in an inevitable offense.
- smrtinsert 4y agoAdvertising of course is usually the answer.
- yamazakiwi 4y agoI'm sort of not surprised it's gotten to this point. In the early era of companies coming out to show their support, businesses wanted to show support in solidarity. The current state just feels like virtue signaling.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoHuh, yeah, good point. "So you can better manipulate me into buying stuff" is a really non-compelling reason for me to give you sensitive personal information.