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Very cool, still dont understand why electric cars got to be ugly ... The design is more like Prius than S-class.. Sorry for being off topic.

lokimedes 4y ago
Is it the Googlefication of cars? I remember when Google and later Material became the lodestone of interfaces, arguably moving most online graphics towards infantile colors and curves.
- dtagames 4y ago
  This is a great analogy! Cars used to come in different shapes and colors. Not anymore. We all have the same white/gray/black truck/SUV thing.
ahartmetz 4y ago
I kind of like it, it's moving away from the overly aggressive looking style of most modern cars. Maybe we can have cars for adults again instead of these Transformers-style designs. A shape that is fit for purpose (aerodynamic) is part of that. BMW and Mercedes switch places periodically in technical and design leadership, and I think it's Mercedes's time. BMW has been going off the rails recently...
- ricardobayes 4y ago
  As a kid I remember standing in ave when a new car came out, very few cars have that effect anymore (on me). New car design generally is pretty meh nowadays. Seems mid-2000s leading up to 2014-15 was peak.
  - kreetx 4y ago
    Off-topic but I had the same thing with sneakers. There seemed to be all kinds of interesting experiments up until mid-2000s, but there is pretty much nothing to look at in today's stores.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    Incorrect. The 1984-1991 Ferrari Testarossa was the peak. Source: poster in my bedroom.
  - llampx 4y ago
    You also grew up and the world changed in that time. I had the same thing, but I realized it was just my teenage years romanticizing the designs of that era.
  - smabie 4y ago
    Or maybe what changed was that you are no longer a kid
- epolanski 4y ago
  Still, it's pretty uninspired and unless you're heavily into cars looks like any other Mercedes out there.
- leokennis 4y ago
  Good observation. Most cars nowadays look like the "cool super car" models from Lego or Matchbox from the past. It always makes me assume their drivers are 12 year olds trapped in grown up bodies.
rogersnm 4y ago
Electric cars struggle with range limitations (compared to their non-electric counterparts), and so manufacturers try to maximise range by reducing the drag co-efficient as much as possible, even at the cost of aesthetics (everything turns into a smooth blob).
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- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  And by avoiding other energy intensive components like radar. And hiding other energy intensive appliances behind paywalls (seat heating, heating, etc.). Its basically gaming the metrics taken to a new extreme, but if you want to treat a evehicle like a normal combustion vehicle in winter, you basically can half the range.
ricardobayes 4y ago
Current cars' aerodynamics are optimized on downforce, range comes way down the line. EVs are mostly optimized for range. Blobfish, or water droplet shape is the most aerodyanamic one out there. Once manufacturers figure out battery efficiency, I think we'll see more aesthetic cars out there again. Prius was a notable exception because it also focused on range and efficiency.
- Toumassa 4y ago
  That's right, but they could make it look more like a 2016 Mercedes CLS than ... i dont know what this looks like... I mean they could work they 2010-2016 models in terms of aerodynamism. I guess electric cars have to be different..
dgudkov 4y ago
The new Prius (2023) is anything but ugly.
- tromp 4y ago
  Granted it looks great. But unfortunately it had to sacrifice somce aerodynamics for it. The outgoing model had a Cd of 0.24, while the new model has 0.27. I was all excited about replacing my 2007 Prius with the new one, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps I'll wait for the Lightyear 2 which is hugely more slippery at a Cd of 0.175.
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atombender 4y ago
The photos in that article might not be of a real chassis design. If you look at the recent test drives of actual cars in the US, e.g. here [1] or [2], the design is a more conventional S-class type. The prototype design looks much more sleek to me, but I'm not a car guy, and I think all modern cars are ugly. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcR8RaC3-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcR8RaC3-g
ericmay 4y ago
Historically these cars were made to be “ugly” because car makers were afraid to eat into sales of their regular cars. You could see it across the board ranging from the Honda Insight, to the Prius, to BMW’s weird looking i series cars. There was never a reason, aerodynamic or not, to make the design look so ridiculous except if you’re the GM of the 3 Series or S class you don’t want someone else eating into your sales with a different product line.
reneherse 4y ago
In the example shown in the photos (not the illustrations) of TFA, the awkwardness of the design comes from trying to compress the aggressive/sporty front end shapes of Mercedes' current line of ICE models into the smooth silhouette of a range-optimized EV blob. There's a lot of visual conflict between the two motifs, as shapes that normally have boxy, sculptural depth get squashed down into basically 2D features on the surface of the smoothed out, mouse-like volume of the overall package. The designers seem to have been stuck with the assignment of putting a Mercedes mask onto a wide, flattened jellybean. The result is mostly successful from the side views, but seems pinched and overwrought from the front. Additionally, some of the grille shapes on the front are likely vestigal, as EVs don't require the same ventilated cooling as combustion engines. Much to the frustration of car designers, one of the key identifying features of any brand has historically been the design of the now obsolete front grille; the functional purpose that served as an aesthetic starting point is now gone. (You can trace the gradual acceptence of grille obsolescence in the evolution of Tesla's designs.)

lokimedes 4y ago

Is it the Googlefication of cars? I remember when Google and later Material became the lodestone of interfaces, arguably moving most online graphics towards infantile colors and curves.

dtagames 4y ago
This is a great analogy! Cars used to come in different shapes and colors. Not anymore. We all have the same white/gray/black truck/SUV thing.

ahartmetz 4y ago

I kind of like it, it's moving away from the overly aggressive looking style of most modern cars. Maybe we can have cars for adults again instead of these Transformers-style designs. A shape that is fit for purpose (aerodynamic) is part of that. BMW and Mercedes switch places periodically in technical and design leadership, and I think it's Mercedes's time. BMW has been going off the rails recently...

ricardobayes 4y ago
As a kid I remember standing in ave when a new car came out, very few cars have that effect anymore (on me). New car design generally is pretty meh nowadays. Seems mid-2000s leading up to 2014-15 was peak.
- kreetx 4y ago
  Off-topic but I had the same thing with sneakers. There seemed to be all kinds of interesting experiments up until mid-2000s, but there is pretty much nothing to look at in today's stores.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  Incorrect. The 1984-1991 Ferrari Testarossa was the peak. Source: poster in my bedroom.
- llampx 4y ago
  You also grew up and the world changed in that time. I had the same thing, but I realized it was just my teenage years romanticizing the designs of that era.
- smabie 4y ago
  Or maybe what changed was that you are no longer a kid
epolanski 4y ago
Still, it's pretty uninspired and unless you're heavily into cars looks like any other Mercedes out there.
leokennis 4y ago
Good observation. Most cars nowadays look like the "cool super car" models from Lego or Matchbox from the past. It always makes me assume their drivers are 12 year olds trapped in grown up bodies.

rogersnm 4y ago

Electric cars struggle with range limitations (compared to their non-electric counterparts), and so manufacturers try to maximise range by reducing the drag co-efficient as much as possible, even at the cost of aesthetics (everything turns into a smooth blob).

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qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
And by avoiding other energy intensive components like radar. And hiding other energy intensive appliances behind paywalls (seat heating, heating, etc.). Its basically gaming the metrics taken to a new extreme, but if you want to treat a evehicle like a normal combustion vehicle in winter, you basically can half the range.

ricardobayes 4y ago

Current cars' aerodynamics are optimized on downforce, range comes way down the line. EVs are mostly optimized for range. Blobfish, or water droplet shape is the most aerodyanamic one out there. Once manufacturers figure out battery efficiency, I think we'll see more aesthetic cars out there again. Prius was a notable exception because it also focused on range and efficiency.

Toumassa 4y ago
That's right, but they could make it look more like a 2016 Mercedes CLS than ... i dont know what this looks like... I mean they could work they 2010-2016 models in terms of aerodynamism. I guess electric cars have to be different..

dgudkov 4y ago

The new Prius (2023) is anything but ugly.

tromp 4y ago
Granted it looks great. But unfortunately it had to sacrifice somce aerodynamics for it. The outgoing model had a Cd of 0.24, while the new model has 0.27. I was all excited about replacing my 2007 Prius with the new one, but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps I'll wait for the Lightyear 2 which is hugely more slippery at a Cd of 0.175.
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atombender 4y ago

The photos in that article might not be of a real chassis design. If you look at the recent test drives of actual cars in the US, e.g. here [1] or [2], the design is a more conventional S-class type. The prototype design looks much more sleek to me, but I'm not a car guy, and I think all modern cars are ugly. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcR8RaC3-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzcR8RaC3-g

ericmay 4y ago

Historically these cars were made to be “ugly” because car makers were afraid to eat into sales of their regular cars. You could see it across the board ranging from the Honda Insight, to the Prius, to BMW’s weird looking i series cars. There was never a reason, aerodynamic or not, to make the design look so ridiculous except if you’re the GM of the 3 Series or S class you don’t want someone else eating into your sales with a different product line.

reneherse 4y ago

In the example shown in the photos (not the illustrations) of TFA, the awkwardness of the design comes from trying to compress the aggressive/sporty front end shapes of Mercedes' current line of ICE models into the smooth silhouette of a range-optimized EV blob. There's a lot of visual conflict between the two motifs, as shapes that normally have boxy, sculptural depth get squashed down into basically 2D features on the surface of the smoothed out, mouse-like volume of the overall package. The designers seem to have been stuck with the assignment of putting a Mercedes mask onto a wide, flattened jellybean. The result is mostly successful from the side views, but seems pinched and overwrought from the front. Additionally, some of the grille shapes on the front are likely vestigal, as EVs don't require the same ventilated cooling as combustion engines. Much to the frustration of car designers, one of the key identifying features of any brand has historically been the design of the now obsolete front grille; the functional purpose that served as an aesthetic starting point is now gone. (You can trace the gradual acceptence of grille obsolescence in the evolution of Tesla's designs.)