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Absolutely! Trying to understand world religions better, it stops very soon once you keep digging deeper. Asking it, why a torture instrument (the cross) became

Absolutely! Trying to understand world religions better, it stops very soon once you keep digging deeper. Asking it, why a torture instrument (the cross) became the symbol of Christianity , it tells me that „This content may violate our content policy“

mdp2021 4y ago
> Trying to understand Now meditate about the issues in the idea of trying to understand things that require intelligence through asking the very implementation of unintelligence. (Intelligence is evolving a world model through critical consideration. Unintelligence is acritical disconnected repetition.)
mdp2021 4y ago
...Furthermore: intelligence is developed (like muscles are developed by moving) by asking oneself questions; exercising creativity and selection in the conception of hypotheses; noting the issues - foundational, satisfactional etc. - in the provisional possible answers found; investigating further to make the candidate ideas more solid or more productive and iterating the process for the inherent branches. Asking an "artificial lunatic" contravenes a few of the implications of the above - starting from the idea of your own exercise.
graeber_28927 4y ago
Tangentially, as a catholic myself, I recently began to find it weird how openly my religion is displaying a medieval torture setup with an obviously tortured, wounded and half-dead man on it, mid-suffering. Not only is it everywhere in churches, but often villages will have big close-to-life-sized, colored statues of him bleeding. And grandmas have it hang all around their house too for everyone to see. Imagine if we replaced every cross statue with some other form of torture that is less symbolic. Say, the scene from saw where he just cut his leg off. Would you object to that scene being displayed as a big ad in your city, or to it being immortalized in your local cemetery as a colored statue? What would your grandma say if you hung posters of that in her living room and her bedroom? I have to admit though, I never found it weird as a child, and I don't think it affected me one bit. Whereas the Spiderman movie spiderbite really upped my phobia of spiders when I saw it at 6. I don't know what to make of all this, I just learned to pause and find all of it weird for a second every once in a while.
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- forgotmyname2 4y ago
  > a medieval torture setup Why would you call it medieval?
  - swores 4y ago
    Because that word doesn't only mean "from the medieval period". > "having a quality (such as cruelty) associated with the Middle Ages", or > "extremely outmoded or antiquated" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  I am not a Christian, but AFAIK the "Jesus suffered and died for our sins" bit is pretty central ? Also, IMHO "leg cut off" would be much more traumatic for the viewer. AFAIK most representations avoid the blood too, or don't color it, or don't show much of it ?
  - ljlolel 4y ago
    They always have drops of blood coming out of crown of thorns and the stakes dripping down
- mongol 4y ago
  I am thinking of Nietzsche's thoughts on Christianity being built on slave morality.
- mejutoco 4y ago
  Catholic art got a lot more explicit highlighting suffering as a response to Protestantism. I remember studying this in art history. From wikipedia: The Council of Trent proclaimed that architecture, painting and sculpture had a role in conveying Catholic theology. Any work that might arouse "carnal desire" was inadmissible in churches, while any depiction of Christ's suffering and explicit agony was desirable and proper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_ar...

mdp2021 4y ago

> Trying to understand Now meditate about the issues in the idea of trying to understand things that require intelligence through asking the very implementation of unintelligence. (Intelligence is evolving a world model through critical consideration. Unintelligence is acritical disconnected repetition.)

mdp2021 4y ago

...Furthermore: intelligence is developed (like muscles are developed by moving) by asking oneself questions; exercising creativity and selection in the conception of hypotheses; noting the issues - foundational, satisfactional etc. - in the provisional possible answers found; investigating further to make the candidate ideas more solid or more productive and iterating the process for the inherent branches. Asking an "artificial lunatic" contravenes a few of the implications of the above - starting from the idea of your own exercise.

graeber_28927 4y ago

Tangentially, as a catholic myself, I recently began to find it weird how openly my religion is displaying a medieval torture setup with an obviously tortured, wounded and half-dead man on it, mid-suffering. Not only is it everywhere in churches, but often villages will have big close-to-life-sized, colored statues of him bleeding. And grandmas have it hang all around their house too for everyone to see. Imagine if we replaced every cross statue with some other form of torture that is less symbolic. Say, the scene from saw where he just cut his leg off. Would you object to that scene being displayed as a big ad in your city, or to it being immortalized in your local cemetery as a colored statue? What would your grandma say if you hung posters of that in her living room and her bedroom? I have to admit though, I never found it weird as a child, and I don't think it affected me one bit. Whereas the Spiderman movie spiderbite really upped my phobia of spiders when I saw it at 6. I don't know what to make of all this, I just learned to pause and find all of it weird for a second every once in a while.

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forgotmyname2 4y ago
> a medieval torture setup Why would you call it medieval?
- swores 4y ago
  Because that word doesn't only mean "from the medieval period". > "having a quality (such as cruelty) associated with the Middle Ages", or > "extremely outmoded or antiquated" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval
BlueTemplar 4y ago
I am not a Christian, but AFAIK the "Jesus suffered and died for our sins" bit is pretty central ? Also, IMHO "leg cut off" would be much more traumatic for the viewer. AFAIK most representations avoid the blood too, or don't color it, or don't show much of it ?
- ljlolel 4y ago
  They always have drops of blood coming out of crown of thorns and the stakes dripping down
mongol 4y ago
I am thinking of Nietzsche's thoughts on Christianity being built on slave morality.
mejutoco 4y ago
Catholic art got a lot more explicit highlighting suffering as a response to Protestantism. I remember studying this in art history. From wikipedia: The Council of Trent proclaimed that architecture, painting and sculpture had a role in conveying Catholic theology. Any work that might arouse "carnal desire" was inadmissible in churches, while any depiction of Christ's suffering and explicit agony was desirable and proper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_ar...