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ChatGPT has gotten so much worse since it gained popularity. All the fun and novel things people had discovered it could do are now hamstrung by a rush to censo

ChatGPT has gotten so much worse since it gained popularity. All the fun and novel things people had discovered it could do are now hamstrung by a rush to censor it, make it politically correct, and try to turn it into a knowledge engine rather than a machine you could chat with.

submeta 4y ago
Absolutely! Trying to understand world religions better, it stops very soon once you keep digging deeper. Asking it, why a torture instrument (the cross) became the symbol of Christianity , it tells me that „This content may violate our content policy“
- mdp2021 4y ago
  > Trying to understand Now meditate about the issues in the idea of trying to understand things that require intelligence through asking the very implementation of unintelligence. (Intelligence is evolving a world model through critical consideration. Unintelligence is acritical disconnected repetition.)
- mdp2021 4y ago
  ...Furthermore: intelligence is developed (like muscles are developed by moving) by asking oneself questions; exercising creativity and selection in the conception of hypotheses; noting the issues - foundational, satisfactional etc. - in the provisional possible answers found; investigating further to make the candidate ideas more solid or more productive and iterating the process for the inherent branches. Asking an "artificial lunatic" contravenes a few of the implications of the above - starting from the idea of your own exercise.
- graeber_28927 4y ago
  Tangentially, as a catholic myself, I recently began to find it weird how openly my religion is displaying a medieval torture setup with an obviously tortured, wounded and half-dead man on it, mid-suffering. Not only is it everywhere in churches, but often villages will have big close-to-life-sized, colored statues of him bleeding. And grandmas have it hang all around their house too for everyone to see. Imagine if we replaced every cross statue with some other form of torture that is less symbolic. Say, the scene from saw where he just cut his leg off. Would you object to that scene being displayed as a big ad in your city, or to it being immortalized in your local cemetery as a colored statue? What would your grandma say if you hung posters of that in her living room and her bedroom? I have to admit though, I never found it weird as a child, and I don't think it affected me one bit. Whereas the Spiderman movie spiderbite really upped my phobia of spiders when I saw it at 6. I don't know what to make of all this, I just learned to pause and find all of it weird for a second every once in a while.
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  - forgotmyname2 4y ago
    > a medieval torture setup Why would you call it medieval?
    - swores 4y ago
      Because that word doesn't only mean "from the medieval period". > "having a quality (such as cruelty) associated with the Middle Ages", or > "extremely outmoded or antiquated" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval
  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    I am not a Christian, but AFAIK the "Jesus suffered and died for our sins" bit is pretty central ? Also, IMHO "leg cut off" would be much more traumatic for the viewer. AFAIK most representations avoid the blood too, or don't color it, or don't show much of it ?
    - ljlolel 4y ago
      They always have drops of blood coming out of crown of thorns and the stakes dripping down
  - mongol 4y ago
    I am thinking of Nietzsche's thoughts on Christianity being built on slave morality.
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    Catholic art got a lot more explicit highlighting suffering as a response to Protestantism. I remember studying this in art history. From wikipedia: The Council of Trent proclaimed that architecture, painting and sculpture had a role in conveying Catholic theology. Any work that might arouse "carnal desire" was inadmissible in churches, while any depiction of Christ's suffering and explicit agony was desirable and proper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_ar...
karussell 4y ago
Instead of "protecting the user" this way they should invest in protecting the user because of misinformation. And give references and sources for their answers.
- bxfhjcvu 4y ago
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- ChrisRR 4y ago
  That's one and the same though. When you've trained an AI model and can't be sure of the output it's going to give, who knows whether it's going to give honest answers on sensitive topics
echelon 4y ago
There's no way this stays locked up in one company. Another group or company (StabilityAI?) will release a similar model without the safety locks. Stability is already working on this, IIRC.
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- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > There's no way this stays locked up in one company. Another group or company (StabilityAI?) will release a similar model without the safety locks So, likely, will OpenAI, this is a consumer-focused demo [0] showing what can be built, but OpenAI is basically a B2B tools company. When they sell it, the moderation model will be a separate product from the text generation model (at least, judging by their current product line). [0] or, rather, a demo of a consumer-facing product. One of the things it is bothb demoing and being used fo actively develop for OpenAI’s target market is the moderation engine.
- 0x_rs 4y ago
  I wouldn't use Stability as an example of this ("without safety locks"), quite the opposite with the very much detrimental censorship going on with 2.0 of SD. So far the most credibile attempts at true creative freedom have been from entirely open, crowd-supported projects (unstable might be one such example), and not one single company. Hopefully this will be the case for generative language models becoming competitive soon, too.
eunos 4y ago
This is the era of tech moral panic (thanks Black Mirror!) so it cant be helped. I think OpenAI is more than happy to make ChatGPT as vibrant as before. But considering past AI was plagued by the H test, they choose to play safe instead.
- data_maan 4y ago
  What is the H test?
  - eunos 4y ago
    https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/chatgpt-openai-artificial-intelligence-chatbot-whoa.html https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/chatgpt-openai-artifici...
- goldenchrome 4y ago
  Makes you wonder what it means if all the past AIs were plagued by the H test. And that ChatGPT only avoids it with heavy censorship. To me it says that our mediated reality is heavily censored by default to the point where an uncensored reality strongly harms its inhabitants, at least emotionally. The article you posted in the child reply is ridiculous. The journalist was happy that the AI avoided the question of what the Nazis did well. Obviously the Nazis did a lot of things extremely well or else they wouldn’t have been so successful for a decade. But it’s not socially acceptable to mention it because then it would drive sympathy for Nazis. I am left to believe that humans are by-and-large incapable of holding shades of grey in their head and quickly simplify to black and white abstractions. This makes sense, but it means that we are limited by our own humanity. The truth is almost always grey. Now we have an opportunity to wield a tool that can compute shades of grey but we kneecap it so that it doesn’t operate beyond the capabilities of its user. Tools are supposed to operate beyond the capabilities of its user or else its not a tool.

submeta 4y ago

Absolutely! Trying to understand world religions better, it stops very soon once you keep digging deeper. Asking it, why a torture instrument (the cross) became the symbol of Christianity , it tells me that „This content may violate our content policy“

mdp2021 4y ago
> Trying to understand Now meditate about the issues in the idea of trying to understand things that require intelligence through asking the very implementation of unintelligence. (Intelligence is evolving a world model through critical consideration. Unintelligence is acritical disconnected repetition.)
mdp2021 4y ago
...Furthermore: intelligence is developed (like muscles are developed by moving) by asking oneself questions; exercising creativity and selection in the conception of hypotheses; noting the issues - foundational, satisfactional etc. - in the provisional possible answers found; investigating further to make the candidate ideas more solid or more productive and iterating the process for the inherent branches. Asking an "artificial lunatic" contravenes a few of the implications of the above - starting from the idea of your own exercise.
graeber_28927 4y ago
Tangentially, as a catholic myself, I recently began to find it weird how openly my religion is displaying a medieval torture setup with an obviously tortured, wounded and half-dead man on it, mid-suffering. Not only is it everywhere in churches, but often villages will have big close-to-life-sized, colored statues of him bleeding. And grandmas have it hang all around their house too for everyone to see. Imagine if we replaced every cross statue with some other form of torture that is less symbolic. Say, the scene from saw where he just cut his leg off. Would you object to that scene being displayed as a big ad in your city, or to it being immortalized in your local cemetery as a colored statue? What would your grandma say if you hung posters of that in her living room and her bedroom? I have to admit though, I never found it weird as a child, and I don't think it affected me one bit. Whereas the Spiderman movie spiderbite really upped my phobia of spiders when I saw it at 6. I don't know what to make of all this, I just learned to pause and find all of it weird for a second every once in a while.
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- forgotmyname2 4y ago
  > a medieval torture setup Why would you call it medieval?
  - swores 4y ago
    Because that word doesn't only mean "from the medieval period". > "having a quality (such as cruelty) associated with the Middle Ages", or > "extremely outmoded or antiquated" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medieval
- BlueTemplar 4y ago
  I am not a Christian, but AFAIK the "Jesus suffered and died for our sins" bit is pretty central ? Also, IMHO "leg cut off" would be much more traumatic for the viewer. AFAIK most representations avoid the blood too, or don't color it, or don't show much of it ?
  - ljlolel 4y ago
    They always have drops of blood coming out of crown of thorns and the stakes dripping down
- mongol 4y ago
  I am thinking of Nietzsche's thoughts on Christianity being built on slave morality.
- mejutoco 4y ago
  Catholic art got a lot more explicit highlighting suffering as a response to Protestantism. I remember studying this in art history. From wikipedia: The Council of Trent proclaimed that architecture, painting and sculpture had a role in conveying Catholic theology. Any work that might arouse "carnal desire" was inadmissible in churches, while any depiction of Christ's suffering and explicit agony was desirable and proper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation#Baroque_ar...

karussell 4y ago

Instead of "protecting the user" this way they should invest in protecting the user because of misinformation. And give references and sources for their answers.

bxfhjcvu 4y ago
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ChrisRR 4y ago
That's one and the same though. When you've trained an AI model and can't be sure of the output it's going to give, who knows whether it's going to give honest answers on sensitive topics

echelon 4y ago

There's no way this stays locked up in one company. Another group or company (StabilityAI?) will release a similar model without the safety locks. Stability is already working on this, IIRC.

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dragonwriter 4y ago
> There's no way this stays locked up in one company. Another group or company (StabilityAI?) will release a similar model without the safety locks So, likely, will OpenAI, this is a consumer-focused demo [0] showing what can be built, but OpenAI is basically a B2B tools company. When they sell it, the moderation model will be a separate product from the text generation model (at least, judging by their current product line). [0] or, rather, a demo of a consumer-facing product. One of the things it is bothb demoing and being used fo actively develop for OpenAI’s target market is the moderation engine.
0x_rs 4y ago
I wouldn't use Stability as an example of this ("without safety locks"), quite the opposite with the very much detrimental censorship going on with 2.0 of SD. So far the most credibile attempts at true creative freedom have been from entirely open, crowd-supported projects (unstable might be one such example), and not one single company. Hopefully this will be the case for generative language models becoming competitive soon, too.

eunos 4y ago

This is the era of tech moral panic (thanks Black Mirror!) so it cant be helped. I think OpenAI is more than happy to make ChatGPT as vibrant as before. But considering past AI was plagued by the H test, they choose to play safe instead.

data_maan 4y ago
What is the H test?
- eunos 4y ago
  https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/chatgpt-openai-artificial-intelligence-chatbot-whoa.html https://slate.com/technology/2022/12/chatgpt-openai-artifici...
goldenchrome 4y ago
Makes you wonder what it means if all the past AIs were plagued by the H test. And that ChatGPT only avoids it with heavy censorship. To me it says that our mediated reality is heavily censored by default to the point where an uncensored reality strongly harms its inhabitants, at least emotionally. The article you posted in the child reply is ridiculous. The journalist was happy that the AI avoided the question of what the Nazis did well. Obviously the Nazis did a lot of things extremely well or else they wouldn’t have been so successful for a decade. But it’s not socially acceptable to mention it because then it would drive sympathy for Nazis. I am left to believe that humans are by-and-large incapable of holding shades of grey in their head and quickly simplify to black and white abstractions. This makes sense, but it means that we are limited by our own humanity. The truth is almost always grey. Now we have an opportunity to wield a tool that can compute shades of grey but we kneecap it so that it doesn’t operate beyond the capabilities of its user. Tools are supposed to operate beyond the capabilities of its user or else its not a tool.