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> We need smart roads more than smart cars. Then this is close to impossible :-) The existing road infrastucture maintenance burden is already crushing financ

by oblio 4y ago

> We need smart roads more than smart cars. Then this is close to impossible :-) The existing road infrastucture maintenance burden is already crushing financially, imagine if we add smart roads to it.

dzhiurgis 4y ago
I’d argue it would actually cut costs
michaelteter 4y ago
This is a "road smell"; not unlike a code smell, it's when the current scenario has such awkward and ugly (and low chance of success) solutions that you must stop and consider the premise and original goal. In this case, the original goal is to get people from A to B. And, pardon the pun, but cars and roads are a dead end solution.
Dylan16807 4y ago
I'm imagining it going up 2%. What's your imagination?
- oblio 4y ago
  To give a simple example, the US spends a ton of infrastructure. Yet it doesn't even have really smart traffic lights like the Dutch do. https://youtu.be/knbVWXzL4-4?t=21 https://youtu.be/knbVWXzL4-4?t=21 Just think about any large scale governmental software project and amplify that 10-100x. That's what I imagine :-) > The design of the website was overseen by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and built by a number of federal contractors, most prominently CGI Group of Canada. The original budget for CGI was $93.7 million, but this grew to $292 million prior to launch of the website. While estimates that the overall cost for building the website had reached over $500 million prior to launch and in early 2014 HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said there would be "approximately $834 million on Marketplace-related IT contracts and interagency agreements," the Office of Inspector General released a report in August 2014 finding that the total cost of the HealthCare.gov website had reached $1.7 billion and a month later, including costs beyond "computer systems," Bloomberg News estimated it at $2.1 billion.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > To give a simple example, the US spends a ton of infrastructure. Yet it doesn't even have really smart traffic lights like the Dutch do. That's not an example of what it would cost, though. > Just think about any large scale governmental software project and amplify that 10-100x. That's what I imagine :-) If I imagine the software costing ten million dollars, and then balloon it to a billion, I think that's still only half a percent of the annual road budget.
- kuschku 4y ago
  If it doesn't go down 30% or more, most places will go bankrupt. Suburbs cost more in road maintenance than their entire taxes can return to the city.

by oblio 4y ago

dzhiurgis 4y ago

I’d argue it would actually cut costs

michaelteter 4y ago

This is a "road smell"; not unlike a code smell, it's when the current scenario has such awkward and ugly (and low chance of success) solutions that you must stop and consider the premise and original goal. In this case, the original goal is to get people from A to B. And, pardon the pun, but cars and roads are a dead end solution.

Dylan16807 4y ago

I'm imagining it going up 2%. What's your imagination?

oblio 4y ago
To give a simple example, the US spends a ton of infrastructure. Yet it doesn't even have really smart traffic lights like the Dutch do. https://youtu.be/knbVWXzL4-4?t=21 https://youtu.be/knbVWXzL4-4?t=21 Just think about any large scale governmental software project and amplify that 10-100x. That's what I imagine :-) > The design of the website was overseen by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and built by a number of federal contractors, most prominently CGI Group of Canada. The original budget for CGI was $93.7 million, but this grew to $292 million prior to launch of the website. While estimates that the overall cost for building the website had reached over $500 million prior to launch and in early 2014 HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said there would be "approximately $834 million on Marketplace-related IT contracts and interagency agreements," the Office of Inspector General released a report in August 2014 finding that the total cost of the HealthCare.gov website had reached $1.7 billion and a month later, including costs beyond "computer systems," Bloomberg News estimated it at $2.1 billion.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > To give a simple example, the US spends a ton of infrastructure. Yet it doesn't even have really smart traffic lights like the Dutch do. That's not an example of what it would cost, though. > Just think about any large scale governmental software project and amplify that 10-100x. That's what I imagine :-) If I imagine the software costing ten million dollars, and then balloon it to a billion, I think that's still only half a percent of the annual road budget.
kuschku 4y ago
If it doesn't go down 30% or more, most places will go bankrupt. Suburbs cost more in road maintenance than their entire taxes can return to the city.