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Good. It's time for this to happen.
by bitwize 4y ago
Good. It's time for this to happen.
- oxfordmale 4y agoCan you explain why?
- giraffe_lady 4y agoThe statement in the article is a strong and detailed explanation of why.
- bfgoodrich 4y ago[dead]
- oxfordmale 4y agoJava and JavaScript are just a few technology names that can be perceived as cultural appropriation (Javanese culture from the island of Java, Indonesia) Mazda is a car manufacturer, however, it also the name of a god. Pick any technology name and it will have a double meaning in a language or region in the world. Where do we stop? It would be more meaningful if the Apache foundation included a link on the homepage explaining the origin of its name and an make an annual contribution to a relevant charity.
- giraffe_lady 4y agoIf a group with a strong claim to representing one of those names comes forward with a public statement about why it's harmful we can evaluate it. We don't need to create a perfectly generalizable framework to address a specific concrete request.
- oxfordmale 4y agoAre you aware of the origin of the word Apache ? Their name comes from a Zuni word meaning "enemy". It means the Apache tribes have been culturally appropriating a word from a different tribe as a badge of honour. Or doesn't that count?
- Daishiman 4y agoIt is detailed; it is not strong. There are tens of thousands of cultures and minority groups around the world and stereotyping will happen. Said stereotyping in this case is absolutely innocuous and frankly irrelevant in the grand scheme of actual problems indigenous communities have.
- SapporoChris 4y agoThe article is written by "ADAM RECVLOHE, HOLLY GRIMM, DESIREE KANE". It sounds more like an opinion article than factual to me. But it's not up to me or anyone else to decide. Changing a company name is an expensive proposition. I don't see it happening without going to court.
- orra 4y ago> Changing a company name is an expensive proposition Companies regularly rebrand. A brand depreciates, just like equipment, and so is regularly updated.
- dvaun 4y agoThe article outlined several reasons why the choice of “Apache” and its conception show classic errors people make by romanticizing indigenous cultures and then appropriating their terms or cultural symbols.
- password-234 4y agoNow the question is, is it acceptable for people to be this sensitive?
- kelseyfrog 4y agoIt's pretty easy to hold a mirror up to this question and ask, would you like to be told how sensitive you are allowed to be?
- password-234 4y agoSometimes people just need to be told how silly they are being. Also my post is regarding the OP specifically, nothing about other cultural appropriation or anything. Some of the arguments have actual merits. Arguing about Apache is not one of them.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoCare to expand on that? How do you determine which arguments have merit and which don't?
- fidgewidge 4y agoChildren are told this all the time.
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- 28304283409234 4y agoThe article does a fine job doing that, wouldn't you agree?
- 28304283409234 4y agoPainful that they need to ask,in 2023.
- kodyo 4y ago[flagged]
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- nerdponx 4y agoIt pisses me off and I'm not even distantly related to the Apache people, because I know if it were the name of my own ethnic/cultural group I would be personally bothered by it. Consider empathy.
- subsistence234 4y agoI would love it if my ethnic group were more widely known. >Consider empathy. You're not really asking for empathy. Neither of us is the arbiter of right and wrong. You have an opinion, so does everyone else.
- kodyo 4y ago[flagged]
- nerdponx 4y agoThey did, that's literally the link at the top of the thread. And people are finding excuses to belittle and dismiss it. At some point you just have to admit that you don't respect people, instead of finding excuses.
- kodyo 4y agoThis appears to be the opinion of the three people who signed their name to the post on this particular website, who appear to have nominated themselves to speak on behalf of the Apache tribes. There's not even an About Us page that describes their tribal influence. I'm not dismissing the feelings of anybody other than these three people who are claiming a grievance. If the movement grows, I'll reconsider.
- Daishiman 4y agoI read everything and it the most ridiculous, useless and unnecessary cause I have seen, and this is coming from someone very much to the left of center and very interested in the causes of minorities. First of all the posters assume they actually speak for all natives, which I find unjustified. They are one group of natives who happen to hold a certain set of opinions, as entitled to them as any one. The reality, in the same gist as the people who have complained about the use of "master" as Git name, is that they are a loud but irrelevant minority holding an opinion on a matter that has no benefit to anyone. It is also apparently implying that any idealized representation of a minority group constitutes "erasure", as if certain cultural stereotypes were a sin. Every idealized telling of a story is going to omit details and be reductionist; every outsider perspective of a group will have some sort of stereotype because there are hundreds of minority groups out there and nobody has the time to engage in a deep investigation of each. That doesn't mean idealizations are bad, or negative, or actually useful if they're going to be retold in a historically precise manner (symbols need to be reductive to be useful in idealized contexts). Symbols are symbols; the rationale for the name is interesting and innocent. There's this awful trend in American minority militants that seem to get worked up about truly innocuous causes and stereotypes that are harmless, and at their very worst naive. As someone who's been around groups that have fought and resisted serious minority causes, it just shows their powerlessness and inability to fight for actually useful causes. It's just a huge waste of their breath that shows their lack of credibility.
- nerdponx 4y agoI've been making this argument again and again across the thread but it apparently bears repeating ad nauseam. Imagine if this were the "Irish Software Foundation", named because a guy watched a documentary on the Potato Famine and thought Irish people seemed noble and hardy. Of course that would be offensive and stupid.
- Daishiman 4y agoIt might be stupid and a caricature, but it's not offensive. Speaking of which, a lot of minority identities actually do revolve around certain set of values like the ones you mention. People stereotype people all the time. The fundamental causes of distress of the indigenous people in the US have approximately zero to do with that.