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Rackspace was one of the first big "cloud" companies, before cloud was a word. They went in the direction of OpenStack, which didn't pan out. While at the sam

Rackspace was one of the first big "cloud" companies, before cloud was a word. They went in the direction of OpenStack, which didn't pan out. While at the sametime, Amazon ran the "Oracle playbook" and started offering Apps.

ajross 4y ago
It wasn't OpenStack, that was just the attempt to recover. Rackspace just lost. They failed to grow into a market leader before their industry commoditized. When you're in the early rush, growth is all that matters. But now if you want to compete with AWS, you need to be cheaper to operate than they are, and that's extremely hard if you're not at their scale. GCP and Azure can do it, little companies can't.
- gamegoblin 4y ago
  The one caveat here is that little companies can compete in particular niches in which they can provide a more tailored solution. For instance, Lambda Labs is "AWS for ML". They have GPU cloud instances with pre-configured ML packages and a network attached filesystem. That's all you need. The other day, I wanted to run Stable Diffusion, but I don't have a GPU. I went to spin up a GPU instance in AWS, but got hit with a quota limit. By default, AWS accounts have a quota limit of 0 for GPU instances. Presumably to prevent fraudulent crypto mining. You have to file a support ticket that is manually looked at by humans to get this limit raised. In my case, it took 4 days for them to raise it. I had an A100 instance running in minutes on Lambda Labs. It's significantly cheaper than AWS, too. I'll be using Lambda Labs for all my future GPU needs, significantly better experience.
  - strgcmc 4y ago
    I get your point about small companies occupying a niche as their distinct competitive advantage, but in this case, one has to ask the obvious question: why doesn't Lambda Labs have a problem with fraudulent crypto mining, if the bar for entry is so low and it's so much easier to be up and running in minutes? And whatever the answer is, one hopes that there is some particular reason why Lambda Labs doesn't think AWS could replicate it... otherwise, it wouldn't be a durable enough moat to defend their business model long-term.
    - marcosdumay 4y ago
      That's quite easy to explain. They don't have a problem because the people that contract them do it explicitly to run GPUs. They don't have to protect a massive number of people that don't exactly know what they are hiring.
      - strgcmc 4y ago
        That makes sense under a certain set of assumptions I suppose, namely that you might think AWS's problem arises mostly from normal customers not realizing that someone has hijacked their account to run GPU crypto mining without their knowledge, because GPU instances were not their intended use case. So "people that don't know what they are hiring" is the failure mode you're concerned with. But I wonder more about, say a fraudster using stolen credit cards or gift card abuse, to open an account, or abuse a free trial, and if Lambda Labs makes it super easy and low friction to start up a GPU, then the fraudster can open an account, mine crypto immediately, rack up as much crypto as they can for days or a month until billing fails or trial expires, and just try to squeeze Lambda for as much computing power as they can subject to Lambda’s ability to detect fraud. Low friction for customers, usually translates directly to higher risk of abuse. AWS adds its limits and friction for a reason, not because they enjoy making life harder (esp. since, easier for customers == more business/revenue).
  - godzillabrennus 4y ago
    Niches like this are often ephemeral and poor uses of capital in the long run. Early on they prove a need exists and can be profitably satiated with the right solution. As long as the market stays minuscule the company introducing the solution has a moat to be a lifestyle business. Once the market is sizable enough though a big guy just offers the same service and consumes the market share.
  - arsenico 4y ago
    There's Vercel, there's Netlify, there are more. They all have their niche offerings, which sometimes beat what AWS does. However, they're not a _generic_ cloud hosting provider as Rackspace is. Seems like specialisation is the only way out for them.
- sixothree 4y ago
  I think the ability to compete with AWS and Azure has crossed a threshold. If I tell a customer we host their data on a platform that is not AWS or Azure, we will have a lot of explaining to do before the answer is accepted. If I tell them it's on AWS they will simply ask a set of particular questions about patterns and practices.
nunez 4y ago
Good point about OpenStack. If it had succeeded, Rackspace would have been in a much better spot. They invested a ton into it.
- pas 4y ago
  Not really. I mean it in both interpretations. Amazon basically invested years and years of profits into AWS, Rackspace did nothing like that. (Nor did they really attempted to do it. And if OpenStack somehow "won" just like k8s won, Amazon would just sell that too.)
johnvanommen 4y ago
OpenStack is more popular than ever. I always find it odd that people dismiss it.
- pas 4y ago
  Sure, but public cloud exploded a thousand-fold, while private clouds are just a niche. People standardized on Terraform, there are no big OpenStack hosting providers, there's not even a big group of small providers, etc.

ajross 4y ago

It wasn't OpenStack, that was just the attempt to recover. Rackspace just lost. They failed to grow into a market leader before their industry commoditized. When you're in the early rush, growth is all that matters. But now if you want to compete with AWS, you need to be cheaper to operate than they are, and that's extremely hard if you're not at their scale. GCP and Azure can do it, little companies can't.

gamegoblin 4y ago
The one caveat here is that little companies can compete in particular niches in which they can provide a more tailored solution. For instance, Lambda Labs is "AWS for ML". They have GPU cloud instances with pre-configured ML packages and a network attached filesystem. That's all you need. The other day, I wanted to run Stable Diffusion, but I don't have a GPU. I went to spin up a GPU instance in AWS, but got hit with a quota limit. By default, AWS accounts have a quota limit of 0 for GPU instances. Presumably to prevent fraudulent crypto mining. You have to file a support ticket that is manually looked at by humans to get this limit raised. In my case, it took 4 days for them to raise it. I had an A100 instance running in minutes on Lambda Labs. It's significantly cheaper than AWS, too. I'll be using Lambda Labs for all my future GPU needs, significantly better experience.
- strgcmc 4y ago
  I get your point about small companies occupying a niche as their distinct competitive advantage, but in this case, one has to ask the obvious question: why doesn't Lambda Labs have a problem with fraudulent crypto mining, if the bar for entry is so low and it's so much easier to be up and running in minutes? And whatever the answer is, one hopes that there is some particular reason why Lambda Labs doesn't think AWS could replicate it... otherwise, it wouldn't be a durable enough moat to defend their business model long-term.
  - marcosdumay 4y ago
    That's quite easy to explain. They don't have a problem because the people that contract them do it explicitly to run GPUs. They don't have to protect a massive number of people that don't exactly know what they are hiring.
    - strgcmc 4y ago
      That makes sense under a certain set of assumptions I suppose, namely that you might think AWS's problem arises mostly from normal customers not realizing that someone has hijacked their account to run GPU crypto mining without their knowledge, because GPU instances were not their intended use case. So "people that don't know what they are hiring" is the failure mode you're concerned with. But I wonder more about, say a fraudster using stolen credit cards or gift card abuse, to open an account, or abuse a free trial, and if Lambda Labs makes it super easy and low friction to start up a GPU, then the fraudster can open an account, mine crypto immediately, rack up as much crypto as they can for days or a month until billing fails or trial expires, and just try to squeeze Lambda for as much computing power as they can subject to Lambda’s ability to detect fraud. Low friction for customers, usually translates directly to higher risk of abuse. AWS adds its limits and friction for a reason, not because they enjoy making life harder (esp. since, easier for customers == more business/revenue).
- godzillabrennus 4y ago
  Niches like this are often ephemeral and poor uses of capital in the long run. Early on they prove a need exists and can be profitably satiated with the right solution. As long as the market stays minuscule the company introducing the solution has a moat to be a lifestyle business. Once the market is sizable enough though a big guy just offers the same service and consumes the market share.
- arsenico 4y ago
  There's Vercel, there's Netlify, there are more. They all have their niche offerings, which sometimes beat what AWS does. However, they're not a _generic_ cloud hosting provider as Rackspace is. Seems like specialisation is the only way out for them.
sixothree 4y ago
I think the ability to compete with AWS and Azure has crossed a threshold. If I tell a customer we host their data on a platform that is not AWS or Azure, we will have a lot of explaining to do before the answer is accepted. If I tell them it's on AWS they will simply ask a set of particular questions about patterns and practices.

nunez 4y ago

Good point about OpenStack. If it had succeeded, Rackspace would have been in a much better spot. They invested a ton into it.

pas 4y ago
Not really. I mean it in both interpretations. Amazon basically invested years and years of profits into AWS, Rackspace did nothing like that. (Nor did they really attempted to do it. And if OpenStack somehow "won" just like k8s won, Amazon would just sell that too.)

johnvanommen 4y ago

OpenStack is more popular than ever. I always find it odd that people dismiss it.

pas 4y ago
Sure, but public cloud exploded a thousand-fold, while private clouds are just a niche. People standardized on Terraform, there are no big OpenStack hosting providers, there's not even a big group of small providers, etc.