They reduced deaths from covid by an absolutely insane level, it's undeniable and easily provable. Without vaccines we would still be doing regular lockdowns.

They reduced deaths from covid by an absolutely insane level, it's undeniable and easily provable. Without vaccines we would still be doing regular lockdowns. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ Look at those first two massive spikes in daily deaths in the last two charts. That level of exponential increase in daily deaths led to two long lockdowns, which as you can see temporarily dealt with the issue. Can you spot where vaccines were introduced en masse and we never had a lockdown again? It's really not difficult to see that vaccines effectively stopped exponentially growing daily deaths. To argue that they had no effect is bordering on insane, or at least just extreme ignorance of data. * To argue against lockdowns is to say it's perfectly fine for those exponential deaths to climb to the level of tens of thousands per day. Obviously no reasonable government was ever going to let that happen, it would be a PR nightmare. So the anti lockdown argument was always a non starter. * To argue against vaccines is to say that it's ok to have regular ongoing lockdowns. Yet paradoxically the anti lockdowns and anti vaccine crowds are the same! Frankly, both positions are completely silly. (A reasonable argument could be made for no lockdowns, but the reality is no western government would ever implement that strategy. We have to live in reality.)