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I'm deeply crypto-skeptic but that seems grossly unfair. I've worked for a number of startups that, in retrospect, had terrible business models. Does that make

by danjac 4y ago

I'm deeply crypto-skeptic but that seems grossly unfair. I've worked for a number of startups that, in retrospect, had terrible business models. Does that make me a "true believer" in their viability? Maybe, but then I learned better. Or maybe I joined because I needed a paycheck and they had a good offer. Either way, my performance as a developer had nothing to do with the viability of their business model. Even if you make the argument that "crypto is a terrible idea as a technology, so anyone who engaged with it is stupid", well, again, in a long enough career you maybe make a wrong pick every now and again, especially early on in your career when it's harder to distinguish hype from reality. A good developer would learn from this and be a more valuable employee as a result.

crote 4y ago
Personally I am past the "crypto is a terrible idea as a technology" phase. A very significant fraction of crypto companies are basically just running a scam. FTX was the third largest exchange and even they turned out to be fraudulent! At this point if you are involved in crypto, my assumption is that you are knowingly involving yourself in an attempt to scam people. I have no problem with not being a "true believer" of the company you work for. I do have a problem with willingly working for criminal enterprises. It's not 2014 anymore, you can't close your eyes to the issues inherent to crypto.
imcreativhner 4y ago
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irl_chad 4y ago
That’s an interesting point. But I still wouldn’t include crypto on my resume - instead, leave a gap in the resume, and if the hiring manager asks, explain. It reminds me of how I see a lot of applicants to LinkedIn job posts with people who list their work history all the way back, past their time in the industry. Eg McDonald’s cashier. You may think that has a positive effect (has experience talking to customers, can be trusted to handle petty cash, held a job even at minimum wage..) but in reality the first thought I have is “did bro really put McDonald’s on a backend dev resume lmfao”
- danjac 4y ago
  Both these points are unfair to junior developers. Suppose your first job out of college was in crypto? Yeah a mistake, but it shouldn't blacken your entire career, especially if you learned some non-crypto skills in the process. And if it's your first job you need something else in your resume to show you have some non-tech skills and responsibilities. Nothing wrong with cashier in McDonalds, it shows you can work in a team, talk to customers, and deal with pressure.
  - irl_chad 4y ago
    I can only speak for my own company. I recently (6 months ago) hired a junior web developer. He’s now a senior, and the highest paid engineer in the company. If you’re a junior developer, and you want to make good money at it, you no longer have hobbies or a life (don’t worry, you get them back when you get good). Instead, all your free time is now dedicated to hobby projects & studying. Of course, only a small % of junior developers want/are capable of that lifestyle (the 10x engineers), and if you’re not one, you’ll just have to suffer making only 80k a year + benefits as a regular junior.
    - danjac 4y ago
      "irl_chad" is a very apt username here... You could do us all a service by telling us the name of your company so we (especially junior developers) could give it a very wide berth.
      - irl_chad 4y ago
        Sounds like you put crypto on your resume, so don’t worry about getting accidentally hired :)

by danjac 4y ago

crote 4y ago

Personally I am past the "crypto is a terrible idea as a technology" phase. A very significant fraction of crypto companies are basically just running a scam. FTX was the third largest exchange and even they turned out to be fraudulent! At this point if you are involved in crypto, my assumption is that you are knowingly involving yourself in an attempt to scam people. I have no problem with not being a "true believer" of the company you work for. I do have a problem with willingly working for criminal enterprises. It's not 2014 anymore, you can't close your eyes to the issues inherent to crypto.

imcreativhner 4y ago

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irl_chad 4y ago

That’s an interesting point. But I still wouldn’t include crypto on my resume - instead, leave a gap in the resume, and if the hiring manager asks, explain. It reminds me of how I see a lot of applicants to LinkedIn job posts with people who list their work history all the way back, past their time in the industry. Eg McDonald’s cashier. You may think that has a positive effect (has experience talking to customers, can be trusted to handle petty cash, held a job even at minimum wage..) but in reality the first thought I have is “did bro really put McDonald’s on a backend dev resume lmfao”

danjac 4y ago
Both these points are unfair to junior developers. Suppose your first job out of college was in crypto? Yeah a mistake, but it shouldn't blacken your entire career, especially if you learned some non-crypto skills in the process. And if it's your first job you need something else in your resume to show you have some non-tech skills and responsibilities. Nothing wrong with cashier in McDonalds, it shows you can work in a team, talk to customers, and deal with pressure.
- irl_chad 4y ago
  I can only speak for my own company. I recently (6 months ago) hired a junior web developer. He’s now a senior, and the highest paid engineer in the company. If you’re a junior developer, and you want to make good money at it, you no longer have hobbies or a life (don’t worry, you get them back when you get good). Instead, all your free time is now dedicated to hobby projects & studying. Of course, only a small % of junior developers want/are capable of that lifestyle (the 10x engineers), and if you’re not one, you’ll just have to suffer making only 80k a year + benefits as a regular junior.
  - danjac 4y ago
    "irl_chad" is a very apt username here... You could do us all a service by telling us the name of your company so we (especially junior developers) could give it a very wide berth.
    - irl_chad 4y ago
      Sounds like you put crypto on your resume, so don’t worry about getting accidentally hired :)