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I measured the pollution from my gas stove
- ksniwmidjd 4y ago[dead]
- quazar 4y agoWe were always at war with Gasstovia.
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- virtual_void 4y agoInteresting. We have a gas stove and a gas furnace. Furnace was changed a few years back and coincides with worse asthma symptoms for both me and my youngest son. Anyone have any air quality sensor recommendations? Preferably one that i can easily extract data from for analysis.
- danans 4y ago> Anyone have any air quality sensor recommendations? Search the HN archive. There are lots of debates and discussions about air quality sensors, especially around the time of the West Coast US fires. But from right now, every time you turn on your gas stove or oven, open a window and set your stove extractor fan to maximum, even if it briefly makes your house cold.
- virtual_void 4y agoThanks. Will take your advice on both counts!
- scottlamb 4y agoI don't recall any NO2 sensor recommendations in particular, and that wouldn't have been a focus during the fires. In general though folks here discussed AirGradient kits. https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/ https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/ I bought a stack of them, and I recommend them. The Pro kit at least has extra I2C module spots on the board (one for 3V3 modules, one for 5V modules). They sell a SGP41 module for VOC, and (I didn't know this until I looked at the spec sheet [1] just now) it also supports NO2. The output's apparently an "index" rather than calibrated physical units that you could compare to the threshold/graph in the post though. (btw: iiuc the "special" thing about the SGP41 module sold by AirGradient as opposed to some Alibaba vendor is that the AirGradient one doesn't come with surface-mounted terminating resistors installed. If you buy one from somewhere else and want to plug it into the AirGradient board, you need to desolder those because the AirGradient's I2C bus is already terminated elsewhere.) I have an older SGP30. Less luck there; it does VOC and CO2, no NO2. [1] https://sensirion.com/media/documents/5FE8673C/61E96F50/Sensirion_Gas_Sensors_Datasheet_SGP41.pdf https://sensirion.com/media/documents/5FE8673C/61E96F50/Sens...
- anamexis 4y agoDepending on your inclination for some DIY, AirGradient makes great kits. Open source and easy to use however you want. https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/ https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/
- koolba 4y agoBarring a completely incorrect install, the exhaust of the furnace should be completely vent out of your home. The indoor air is warmed by passing against a heat exchanger. If you’re having issues with air quality have your humidity levels checked. If it’s too low, a furnace attached humidifier will solve that by adding humidity to the treated air.
- RHSeeger 4y agoWe have a fairly new forced hot air heating system, and it has a humidifier in-line. It's amazing. You don't really notice it so much until you don't have it. When I'm in a house with forced hot air that doesn't have it, I find it painful. I was at a hotel in DC a while back that had the air on all evening, and my eyes hurt fiercely, dry due to the air. I don't get much of that at home (I'd get none, but... my eyes are broken enough that they're constantly dry to start with).
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> Furnace was changed a few years back and coincides with worse asthma symptoms for both me and my youngest son. As others have said, if correctly installed you should not have any furnace exhaust indoors. You should _always_ have at least a Carbon Monoxide alarm (CO) installed in the furnace room. If there is no monoxide leak it's unlikely that other particulates are escaping. The CO alarm should be installed in your furnace room irrespective of whatever sensor analytics you would like to add for your investigate.
- lukev 4y agoCounterpoint: I also measured the pollution from my gas stove (using the same meter the author is, from the look of the graph) and it was well within acceptable parameters. And I don't even have a vent above it. I bought a meter and started monitoring after reading an article similar to this one. My next stove will probably be induction, but just be aware that not ALL gas stoves are problematic if set up correctly and burning cleanly. Definitely get a meter to make sure, though. Edit: since lots of people asked, I got a uHoo sensor from Amazon. It measures basically everything and cost $300.
- byyll 4y agoI've read a few reviews of the uHoo saying they both 2 and put them in the same room and ending up with vastly different readings. I am not sure it's accurate.
- ahelwer 4y agoHow much did you pay for the meter? Last time I looked into this measurements for various metrics were basically useless (unless you're only looking at relative, not absolute numbers) unless you spent at least a few hundred bucks and occasionally calibrated it.
- asveikau 4y agoI think what I've heard before is that this needs regular monitoring, which most households will not do. Stuff can break in your stove and oven and you might not know.
- RetpolineDrama 4y ago>Stuff can break in your stove and oven and you might not know. I'd argue >99.9% of people would have no clue if the stove was otherwise functioning normally
- diziet 4y agoWhat specific meter did you use? I want to try it myself.
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- alfor 4y agoThe site is dedicated to fighting fossil fuels as if there were pure evil. Does not seems like a place for balanced views.
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- giraffe_lady 4y agoThey may not be "pure evil" but they are clearly extremely bad. What does a balanced view of that look like for you?
- alfor 4y agoIn this article I understand the concern about NOx, good ventilation, a detector might be a good idea. A quick look at the site show how much it is targeting at fighting all fossil fuels. But fossil fuels are the backbone of our civilisation. Yes we need to transition, and it’s happening, but if you were to cut them off completely I think that more that half of the world population would die in the next 12 months. So let’s be careful with that transition, we can easily kill more people by raising the cost of fuel than saving future people from hypothetical climate catastrophes or from NOx. Whatever what the activists and government does, the pricing alone is driving out all fossil fuels. Solar, wind and batteries are already cheaper than the other alternatives. It’s just a question of a few years.
- lazide 4y agoWith a decent hood, they are not clearly bad.
- ladberg 4y agoI've had similarly bad results with CO2, PM2.5, and PM10 concentrations when I use my gas stove. If anyone is curious I have a Qingping Air Monitor Lite which I love. It's probably sucking up my data but I don't mind too much because it has a great physical interface, natively connects to HomeKit so I can see the current status and trigger events when levels get too high, and has a decent app that shows charts over time. It's nice to be able to remotely see that particulate levels are rising and turn on my air filter for a bit so everything's back to normal by the time I get home.
- danans 4y agoIndoor air pollution from gas combustion appliances can actually be worse in newer homes because they are so much less leaky (and by consequence more efficient) than older homes. New building codes call for mechanical ventilation, but not nearly enough to compensate for the byproducts of combustion appliances or other sources of indoor air pollution. The best solution (an airtight house with 24/7 whole house mechanical ventilation with heat/humidity recovery) is sadly still the stuff of high end green homes. If you cook with a gas stove, you should open windows and run your extractor fan at max when cooking.
- aclatuts 4y agoSome higher end homes have a make up air system for venting a stove top in air tight houses, but it is so expensive.
- ed25519FUUU 4y agoAre you describing something different than the overhead fan equipped above the gas range in most new homes?
- danans 4y agoThey are describing a system that automatically creates a path for replacement air when the overhead extractor fan turns on, which is also achievable by opening a window. Absent replacement air, stove extractor fans (like any extractor fans) cause an airtight house to experience negative pressure and reduce the effectiveness of the fans.
- thinkcontext 4y agoI believe you are referring to a Heat or Energy Recovery Ventilator (HRV or ERV). In the absence of a range hood they would be better than nothing. But they aren't designed for the large volume of air changes that cooking requires.
- bgentry 4y agoI have a new house (built in 2020) and it did come with an inefficient, underpowered mechanical ventilation intake that just pulled outside air directly into the home. Given the house is in Austin, Texas where the weather outside rarely matches the conditions inside, this results in a lot of cooling or heating loss, as well as losing the humidity conditioning of the indoor air. It's no wonder that I regularly hear locals advising folks to simply turn off the mechanical ventilator; bringing in hot, humid summer air or cold, dry winter air is not good, even if the fresh air is. That's why shortly after moving in, I had the garbage ventilator replaced with an ERV. Based on my research I selected a Renewaire EV-Premium L, a variable speed unit which does up to 280 CFM. That's a ton of fresh air, even for a 4300 sqft house. But importantly it preserves some of the temperature and humidity when exchanging the air, so it's a lot more efficient than a plain mechanical ventilator. I have it wired into my Ecobee thermostat. It runs at its configurable low speed 24/7, and the Ecobee puts it in boost mode (full output) for 10-15 minutes per hour. This setup did cost some money of course, but the $2000 cost was pretty minor in the context of a new home. With this setup, we never see a buildup of CO2, VOCs, etc indoors. Definitely worth it when we're both working from home and spending most of our time there. And although we have a gas cooktop, I never see any indoor air quality issues so long as we're running the hood while cooking. I hope indoor air quality becomes a bigger priority for homes, offices, and schools. The building codes in this area haven't yet caught up to the need for improved ventilation to account for how much better sealed up modern buildings are.
- Fauntleroy 4y agoWhich sensors detect NO2? I have a CO2 and PM2.5 sensor, but I'm finding it hard to come up with anything that mentions NO2.
- a_t48 4y agoIt's a bit pricey, but some Dyson fans can measure NO2.
- totoglazer 4y agoThe uHoo the author and another commenter here mentioned does.
- CorrectHorseBat 4y agoModern gas boilers here (furnaces aren't very popular, I assume from a pollution point there's no difference) have external intake and exhaust. Would those still give indoor pollution?
- lazide 4y agoAny furnace, boiler, etc. which allows any exhaust gas to mix with indoor air is a major risk of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. Which does sometimes happen. If it's functioning correctly, exhaust gas and indoor air do not directly contact each other at all, they both go on opposite sides of a heat exchanger.
- nrclark 4y agoIn the US, furnaces are required to be in a closet and have a carbon monoxide shutoff. A furnace will disable itself if local CO levels get above some threshold. So if your furnace's exhaust is working correctly, it shouldn't have much effect on airborne pollution in your house. And if your exhaust -isn't- working, then your furnace will shut itself off. I don't know the rules around gas boilers, but I'd expect that they're probably the same. Gas stoves are very different from an air pollution perspective. Kitchens are high-traffic areas in a lot of houses, and stoves are usually out in the open from an airflow perspective. Lots of houses don't have an exhaust hood that vents to the outside. And lots of cooks aren't in the habit of turning on their exhaust fans unless something has burned.
- DrFunke 4y agoThis was a concern of mine, so I purchased an induction stove. Also took it one step further by moving my entire kitchen to a covered outdoor patio. It seemed silly to be breathing oil particles for hours every time I cook chicken. Very grateful for my hypochondriac mother. She taught me to never not stop think about all the ways we can get cancer.
- jojobas 4y agoIt always bugged me that you can just burn something inside, unless there's a proper, exhaust-to-the-outside rangehood. I guess the only worse thing is the modern world are Japanese exhaust-to-room oil heaters.
- chadlavi 4y agoMy wife can be in another room and not even know I've turned on the stove/oven, and she starts to cough when I start cooking. (we rent, don't get at me about replacing) I try to use our portable induction burner whenever I can now, even though we pay for electricity but we don't pay for gas. I was extremely skeptical and snooty about the potential of induction cooktops when it was first floated, but if I owned a home I would definitely prefer an induction stovetop to a gas one now. Induction is a lot faster and more responsive than gas, in my experience. Just wish there were induction stovetops that has real knobs and weren't so easily cracked or scraped.
- barney54 4y agoI don't understand the correlation between air quality and asthma. In the United States, asthma rates are way up. This article blames at least part of the increase on air pollution, specifically nitrogen dioxide. But nitrogen dioxide concentrations in the United States are down by 54% since 1990 alone. https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2021/#air_trends https://gispub.epa.gov/air/trendsreport/2021/#air_trends It isn't outdoor air pollution that's driving the increase in asthma because outdoor air quality is improving (and has been improving for over 50 years in the United States. I would imagine that today's natural gas stoves are cleaner than in the past, natural gas appliance don't seem to be driving the increase in asthma either. My point is that the data isn't clear what is driving the increase in asthma.
- gedy 4y agoFrom the increase in allergies, I wonder if life is too clean now basically.
- conqueso 4y agoThere's a well established theory called the "Hygiene Hypothesis" that says exactly this - https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/consumers-biologics/asthma-hygiene-hypothesis https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/consumers-biolo...
- ericbarrett 4y agoYou raise a great point about air quality improvements. However, nitrogen dioxide, the irritant discussed in the article, is created with any hot-enough combustion process, since it's a reaction of the nitrogen and oxygen already in the air. Quality of fuel should have little to do with it.
- carlivar 4y agoC-sections correlate to asthma. Compare c-section rates to asthma rates.
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- musicale 4y agoDefinitely open the windows and turn the hood fan on before you turn the stove on (preferably one that actually vents outside since inside ones are useless[1,2]) and leave it on until after you turn the stove off. [1] https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602/gas-stove-cooking-indoor-air-pollution-health-risks https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602... [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/gas-stoves-air-pollution-1.6394514 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/gas-stoves-air-pollution-1.6...
- bob1029 4y agoInduction really is better in a lot of important ways (especially if you value your time and cook every day). The only thing I hate to cook on it is wok-style or anything where the pan has to move quickly with fine temperature control. Most of the time, I can blast the rice on max and slide the pan around to similar effect, but it's not ideal and it can "run away" very quickly if food gets stuck. Aside from the few caveats, I can't imagine going without. Bringing water or oil to temperature is easily 3-5x faster on my 5kW element. Waiting for a semi-direct flame to heat your pot is so primitive by comparison. Then, there is the cleaning aspect. My induction cooktop takes 15 seconds to wipe down. My last gas range had some parts go through dishwasher, with others getting toothbrush-in-sink treatment. Unless you like cooking on a dirty range, this adds up fast.
- ryantgtg 4y agoDo you ever need to heat tortillas? We put those directly on our gas range, and are wondering what the induction solution is.
- ajross 4y agoAlso safety: you can boil over a pot, pick it up, and just wipe the spilled gunk off the stove and the bottom of the pot with your other hand using nothing more than a rag. That's not to say you can't get an induction pan searing hot (small pans can actually get much hotter than ones over gas), but you have to work at it. Generally the pan is no hotter than its contents.
- bob1029 4y agoThe safety has some fun and practical side effects. I put a paper towel between my cast iron deep fryer and my cooktop to keep it from leaving those weird oily rings behind. That said... the ridiculous power does have 1 downside relative to safety. If you are heating oil on an induction cooktop, please set a contingency timer somewhere to remind you to turn it off. In the amount of time it takes a gas range to get oil dangerously-smoking, induction has already ignited it and its been a raging inferno for at least 2 minutes.
- beebmam 4y agoNatural gas is absurdly cheap in most parts of the US. It's not going to change anytime soon here, simply due to these economic reasons. How do I go about testing my gas stove for dangerous emissions?
- none_to_remain 4y agoI will continue cooking with gas and simply accept this risk
- screye 4y agoI would be all for moving off gas-stoves, but can we acknowledge that the alternatives really suck if you like cooking ? I want to be part of the solution, so here are few things that alternatives need to figure out before I move off gas: Easy problems: 1. No more cycling-induction/electric stoves. I do not want my food alternating between burning & sitting around. 2. A power setting where low-to-medium aren't only kind of burning your food. 3. Off means off. I don't want my food cooking for 5 more minutes after I turn the stove off. 4. Kitchen ranges having high quality broilers to make up for the lack of a charring mechanism on alternative ranges. Hard problems: 1. Being able to change the shape of the surface element to trace the shape of the pan. I cook with a wok, and all non-gas-ranges only heat the very center. If I can use a wok to fix the shape of the coil into a bowl, then I can ensure even heating even in a wok. (It's a spring coil, the shape should be mechanically adjustable). 2. Can the good ones be competitive on prices with top gas ranges ? I really dislike electric stoves, they have the worst of all worlds. Induction stoves: I could live with, but the good ones are too expensive to be a reasonable alternative for most people. There are additional good reasons to switch as seen from this[1] video. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54 ______________ Final caveat for tropical countries. Here, windows are always open. Houses often lack a gas connection, and instead have a gas-cylinder supplied to the house. So the pollution & removal-of-gas benefits do not apply. The cooking culture often relies on instantaneous fire to give certain staple flavors. They rely on curved pot shapes for cooking techniques & and the price differentials hurt a lot more when you're a poor country. Gas stoves sound a lot less evil in these tropical circumstances and this is the region where a majority of the world's population lives.
- alliao 4y agototally, given good sensor and control it's achievable. I've seen commercial grade equipment for wok (shaped) and even claypot (they really need to make a 220v one for where I am https://www.siroca.co.jp/product/kamadosandenki/ https://www.siroca.co.jp/product/kamadosandenki/ ) hmm a bed of magnets to hug the bottom of pans with flexible induction coils beneath would work, and to clean just pop the magnetic layer into dishwasher time for a kickstarter?
- charlie0 4y agoI'm not surprised about the gas stove pollution, but am surprised at how ineffective kitchen fans are. I got an air purifier with a sensor on it. It's about 8 feet away from the kitchen and it always goes on a few minutes if I switch any of the burners to a high setting. This happens even when I have the stove fan setting on high. These are suppose to suck the bad air out, but don't seem to do a good job at it.
- dang 4y agoRelated ongoing thread: U.S. safety agency to consider ban on gas stoves amid health fears - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310218 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34310218 - Jan 2023 (114 comments) Also related: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31630946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31630946 - June 2022 (122 comments) What a gas stove ban means for restaurants - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31603850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31603850 - June 2022 (592 comments) My best estimate is gas stoves decrease life expectancy by 53 days on average - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275953 - Feb 2022 (117 comments) How bad is my gas stove? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29935939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29935939 - Jan 2022 (520 comments) Cities try to phase out gas stoves but cooks are pushing back - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27874912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27874912 - July 2021 (481 comments) Experts are sounding the alarm about the hidden dangers of gas stoves - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25332332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25332332 - Dec 2020 (343 comments)
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- globalreset 4y agoAbsent real life threats, first-world people increasingly busy themselves with inventing surrogate problems. Everywhere Nazis are trying to overthrow democracy, climate change is going to destroy us all in the next 5 years, viruses go rampage and we need to lock everyone up, now your gas stove is trying to kill you. While in reality western world has never been so safe and prosperous.
- alar44 4y agoFor real. This is an absolute non issue, not even in comparison to anything else. There are tradeoffs for being a human. We need heat to cook. A few ppb in your home of whatever isn't shit compared to, idk, walking next to a fucking road or being in a city. Electric just offloads it to coal plants which is likely worse. Good grief.
- alliao 4y agodon't know if you've been to Japan or followed any Japanese product, the idea of improvement is possible everywhere and anywhere is a compounding and thus powerful concept. Every year a journey between two cities are shortened by 1% really adds up. I don't see anything wrong with improvements in general, you may be willing to take the risk, but it doesn't hurt that there's some other human beings thinking/working on this issue.
- alar44 4y agoThe externalities to switch the US over to electric are going to be massive compared to any benefits if there even are any.
- kragen 4y agosummary to circumvent the clickbait headline: author measured 291 ppb nitrogen dioxide from his gas stove and gas furnace, and gas stoves increase the risk of childhood asthma by 42% (relative to an unspecified baseline but I bet it doesn't include cooking with wood or coal) due to the nitrogen dioxide exposure article does not mention particulates produced by food being cooked
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- legitster 4y ago> In other words, it may be possible to build a home with perfectly vented gas appliances, and there may be a safe level of NO2, but in the real world—in the homes that we all actually live in—this is probably the rare exception. This is a rather frustratingly blithe conclusion. Should we ban electricity in homes because they can be wired wrong? I'm not entirely sold on the health risks as presented, but that the author doesn't seem interested in seriously exploring any of the obvious solutions to this (seemingly) fixable problem makes this entire analysis feel rather lazy.
- 542458 4y agoElectricity is a funny comparison to pick. True, we didn’t ban electricity, but we did (effectively) ban certain “types” of particularly dangerous in-home electricity, like knob-and-tube. And like the cited passage, knob-and-tube can theoretically be perfectly safe (and even has some unique advantages!), but often isn’t safe in real-world scenarios.
- Reason077 4y agoEven an electric/induction stove will generate a lot of indoor air pollution if not well ventilated. In my current London flat (which I'm moving out of soon), nobody uses the fan above the stove because it's super loud and doesn't work properly anyway. Frying pretty much anything in the kitchen will cause my PM2.5 meter, which is upstairs in my bedroom on the other side of the house, to go crazy. Often up into the hundreds of µg/m³. Good kitchen ventilation is super important, gas stove or otherwise!
- binkHN 4y agoI guess I can corroborate a bit. Back around the start of the pandemic, I picked up a few Awair devices (back when they were reasonably priced and weren’t used for crypto purposes) and put them around the house. Whenever we cooked with our gas cooktop, TVOCs skyrocketed and the HVAC system dispersed this throughout the house.
- StanislavPetrov 4y agoI'm fine with the government making people aware of the risks, but not with banning gas stoves. I'm an adult, and if I want to take that risk for myself, that should be up to me to decide. The oft-trotted out argument that "well, when you get sick, the government has to take care of you and you are a burden to society" is nonsense. If sentient adults don't have the right to make their own choices and assess their own risks, because of some amorphous burden to society, then the entire concept of freedom and autonomy is out the window. This is an increasingly more important issue as people who push for "Socialism" strongly believe it should be up to the government to decide what you are allowed to do and should have the power to decide what "acceptable level of risk" adults are able to take on. It is also one that pushes people like myself away from "Socialism", which is unfortunate because I believe in a strong social safety net for those who are unable to support and/or take care of themselves (for whatever reason). But when push comes to shove, I'd rather live in a society without any social safety net whatsoever, where I was free to make my own decisions and take my own risks, than an authoritarian society with a social safety net.
- nemo44x 4y agoGet an electric or induction cooking surface and cook food and you’ll notice any and all air quality sensors reporting pollution if you have a poorly vented stove. The very process of heating oil to high temperatures to sear and brown foods emits all sort of pollutant. You can live your life by boiling everything on an induction range or you can cook with gas indoors like billions of people have without issue for generations. Stop being weird.
- 99_00 4y agoCompare pollution while not cooking versus cooking with gas is the opposition of rational thinking. Probably even running an electric toaster will have an impact, especially if it hasn't been cleaned out (which is likely).
- nemo44x 4y agoIt’s the same thinking that creates “studies” where they run an old, faulty burner with no ventilation for 3 hours and compare results with running a new induction stovetop and marvel and how much better induction is for you. There’s a combined effort to demonize gas ranges by some climate extremists and it has been picked up by some media. They can’t convince people to change (because gas is superior technology) so they cone up with badly designed studies to scare people. They won’t be happy until you’re eating dehydrated beetles and grasshoppers. I can’t wait until they tell me to stop using my wood burning (gasp!!) fireplace every day.
- asdff 4y agoIt gets so hot in my small kitchen while cooking that I end up opening the window anyhow. Too bad these days you have people who don't even open their windows in the summertime due to central AC. I'm sure their air quality is poor just from plastic products that the modern home is filled with (including carpet and furniture) offgassing
- 99_00 4y agoUnless you are willing to stop cooking, comparing indoor pollution while cooking with a gas stove versus when not cooking with anything is dumb. Comparing indoor pollution while cooking with a gas stove versus an electric stove makes sense. Yes, I suspect electric is cleaner than gas, how much cleaner is what's important.
- sliken 4y agoI didn't realize how big a deal the natural gas related pollution was. As in the post I found out my rental wasn't doing what it should. Turns out a hail storm had crushed the hat above the water heater exhaust. Turns out the resulting air quality in the apartment was so bad my wife's hand writing changed. We both don't remember much from that year, but have clear memories from the year before and after. Luckily we moved out after 8 months and her handwriting returned and our memories got much better. I strongly recommend monitoring your air quality, ideally with a CO alarm, since it's deadly quickly, and something like the airthings.com which monitors PM2.5, CO2, radon, and VOC.
- jacooper 4y ago> This story was originally published in January 2022. It has been edited slightly for clarity and to reflect new research. January 2023 not 2022.
- casey2 4y agoStop with the "stealth" induction ad threads? No, the imperceptible amount of NO2 your gas stove releases is not a reason to waste money.
- LatteLazy 4y agoThe study he links to is just a correlation study right? It proves nothing beyond the study author's ability to start with an assumption and then do maths.
- boredumb 4y agoIn case you're wondering why people are suddenly concerned about gas stoves -> https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/us-safety-agency-to-consider-ban-on-gas-stoves-amid-health-fears-1.1867561 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/us-safety-agency-to-consider-ban...
- mattpallissard 4y agoI worked several years in the food service industry in large, indstrial kitchens. Ever since I have been puzzled as to why fume hoods over cook stoves are woefully inadequate. Undersized, under powered, inadequately vented if vented at all. Even if your stove is burning cleanly it is a luxury to be able to cook on high heat without filling the entire room with smoke. Not to mention I'd suspect the fumes from the burning oil are probably worse than your clean[ish] burning LNG/propane stove.
- askin4it 4y agoIf you haven't figured it out: gas stoves are now "bad". By the time the "news" gets here, it's been upscaled to be consumed by 100+ IQs--that's us! Looks like the cultural elites don't want you enjoying cooking with gas. They'll have to cancel that expression as well. Now you are cooking with subatomic particles!