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Pople don't like change; there is a reason why Amazon or Ebay look the same for all these years, despite all their UI/UX shortfalls. That said, anything closer

Pople don't like change; there is a reason why Amazon or Ebay look the same for all these years, despite all their UI/UX shortfalls. That said, anything closer to VS Code will likely be perceived well.

abeyer 4y ago
> That said, anything closer to VS Code will likely be perceived well. Citation needed Personally I have the opposite reaction to people cloning the VS Code UI: I find VS Code's model absolutely awful for most things, and even assuming someone _does_ find it useful, most attempts I've seen to clone its UI don't even come close to matching up to the quality of the original. I'm not sure why someone would ever have positive perceptions of an application trying to shoehorn itself into a competitor's UI to capitalize on another project's popularity.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Wait, do people consider VS Code's UI good? I only use it because it's less-minimal (in the UI department) than Sublime, and free.
bdw5204 4y ago
A good UI/UX is one that the user is familiar with. A bad UI/UX is one that requires the user to put in extra work to relearn how to get their work done. Redoing UI/UX is also a major accessibility problem because it gets harder for people to relearn how to use a program as they get older (anybody who's ever seen elderly users try to figure out how to use a "new and improved" UI/UX knows this). If you insist on redoing the UI/UX because you think a different design is "better", then you should keep the old UI/UX as an option. But you're almost always better off not redoing it. For software that doesn't have an existing UI/UX, the best UI/UX is one that your potential users are already familiar with. Specifically, one that resembles whatever other programs on your target platform do. The reason for this is because your users are already using those other programs and are familiar with how they work so doing something different for the sake of being different will confuse them (this is why its good that gaming controllers and control schemes in games are largely standardized these days). If you're emacs or vim, it makes sense to stick with your archaic shortcuts because your users expect them and would be confused if you changed them but new programs should stick to ctrl+s for save, ctrl+x for cut, ctrl+c for copy, ctrl+v for paste, etc.
foepys 4y ago
VS Code is only used this much because it is free. If Microsoft were to charge only $10 for it, its market share would be in the single digits. It's the same with MS Teams. A bad, sluggish program full of bugs and weird behavior that is only the most used conferencing software because it is included in the Enterprise Office subscription anyways.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  > If Microsoft were to charge only $10 for it, its market share would be in the single digits. This might be true. I wouldn't stop using it because I dislike it though. Only that if I'm going to give money, I'd rather do it to pretty much any company that's not Microsoft. I would probably pay for JetBrains stuff at that point, even though I could never get used to their products. > It's the same with MS Teams. A bad, sluggish program full of bugs and weird behavior Teams is the worst. VS Code OTOH is not bad (subjective, of course), definitely not sluggish (it's faster than emacs on my laptop, except when opening it the first time - which happens at most once a day) or full of bugs (at least none that get in the way of me doing my job efficiently).
0x457 4y ago
Amazon does not look the same for all these years. I remember having a different amazon page on nearly every refresh, with different checkout flows and different buttons styling/location. Even AWS console goes through changes.
conradfr 4y ago
Why would I pay for a Jetbrain IDE if it's the same as the free one? Although to be honest I kind of pay for it more for the git integration than the editor (especially as the non-official Elixir plugin is not that great) and I guess they won't change that.

abeyer 4y ago

> That said, anything closer to VS Code will likely be perceived well. Citation needed Personally I have the opposite reaction to people cloning the VS Code UI: I find VS Code's model absolutely awful for most things, and even assuming someone _does_ find it useful, most attempts I've seen to clone its UI don't even come close to matching up to the quality of the original. I'm not sure why someone would ever have positive perceptions of an application trying to shoehorn itself into a competitor's UI to capitalize on another project's popularity.

yamtaddle 4y ago

Wait, do people consider VS Code's UI good? I only use it because it's less-minimal (in the UI department) than Sublime, and free.

bdw5204 4y ago

A good UI/UX is one that the user is familiar with. A bad UI/UX is one that requires the user to put in extra work to relearn how to get their work done. Redoing UI/UX is also a major accessibility problem because it gets harder for people to relearn how to use a program as they get older (anybody who's ever seen elderly users try to figure out how to use a "new and improved" UI/UX knows this). If you insist on redoing the UI/UX because you think a different design is "better", then you should keep the old UI/UX as an option. But you're almost always better off not redoing it. For software that doesn't have an existing UI/UX, the best UI/UX is one that your potential users are already familiar with. Specifically, one that resembles whatever other programs on your target platform do. The reason for this is because your users are already using those other programs and are familiar with how they work so doing something different for the sake of being different will confuse them (this is why its good that gaming controllers and control schemes in games are largely standardized these days). If you're emacs or vim, it makes sense to stick with your archaic shortcuts because your users expect them and would be confused if you changed them but new programs should stick to ctrl+s for save, ctrl+x for cut, ctrl+c for copy, ctrl+v for paste, etc.

foepys 4y ago

VS Code is only used this much because it is free. If Microsoft were to charge only $10 for it, its market share would be in the single digits. It's the same with MS Teams. A bad, sluggish program full of bugs and weird behavior that is only the most used conferencing software because it is included in the Enterprise Office subscription anyways.

cassianoleal 4y ago
> If Microsoft were to charge only $10 for it, its market share would be in the single digits. This might be true. I wouldn't stop using it because I dislike it though. Only that if I'm going to give money, I'd rather do it to pretty much any company that's not Microsoft. I would probably pay for JetBrains stuff at that point, even though I could never get used to their products. > It's the same with MS Teams. A bad, sluggish program full of bugs and weird behavior Teams is the worst. VS Code OTOH is not bad (subjective, of course), definitely not sluggish (it's faster than emacs on my laptop, except when opening it the first time - which happens at most once a day) or full of bugs (at least none that get in the way of me doing my job efficiently).

0x457 4y ago

Amazon does not look the same for all these years. I remember having a different amazon page on nearly every refresh, with different checkout flows and different buttons styling/location. Even AWS console goes through changes.

conradfr 4y ago

Why would I pay for a Jetbrain IDE if it's the same as the free one? Although to be honest I kind of pay for it more for the git integration than the editor (especially as the non-official Elixir plugin is not that great) and I guess they won't change that.