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If things end up online (and everything recorded by a modern cam will end up online at least at one of Google, Apple, FB, or MS) this is not OK. You can't contr

If things end up online (and everything recorded by a modern cam will end up online at least at one of Google, Apple, FB, or MS) this is not OK. You can't control what those companies do with the data. If you don't like your life ending up in the cloud nobody may film you without your consent. There is not much room for discussion. (Maybe if the recordings would be done with offline devices and you would get written guaranties that the recording never gets onto an networked computer, but who could promise this in today's world?)

Godel_unicode 4y ago
> There is not much room for discussion And yet here we are. You’re not in charge, and telling other people what they are and aren’t allowed to do just to meet some arbitrary desire of yours is being a dick. Do you really expect everyone not to take pictures and videos of games you’re at? Museums you’re in? Concerts you attend? Come on.
- still_grokking 4y ago
  Thankfully I'm in the EU. It's my right to demand that. (This does not mean that everybody conforms to the law. But people that don't would be at least liable for damages.) Edit, to clarify: Of course you can film in public. But you're required to cut out people who didn't give explicit consent before showing the material in public or handing it over to third parties.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    No it isn’t (there are similar laws in at least France and Italy, and a much broader one in the UK). All of this delightful nuance goes to my previous point; there’s plenty to debate and discuss here and the whole idea of an absolute right to privacy in public is comical. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/kunsturhg/__23.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/kunsturhg/__23.html
    - still_grokking 4y ago
      There is no "absolute right to privacy in public", of course. But distributing or handing over such material is limited and requires usually consent. Please pay special attention to the second sentence of the cited paragraph.
      - Godel_unicode 4y ago
        No it doesn’t. That consent is gated around violating their legitimate purpose (see the other words in that second paragraph). So in general just posting stuff/uploading to TikTok/facebook/etc does not require consent and you don’t have a right to have it taken down without specific cause.
        still_grokking 4y ago
        No, that's wrong. We're talking here about rights that are derived directly form the first sentence of the German constitution! Such right is very strong. Only in exceptional cases it can be overruled by other constitutional rights. Details can be found for example here: https://www.prigge-recht.de/wann-darf-ich-bilder-von-anderen-veroeffentlichen/ https://www.prigge-recht.de/wann-darf-ich-bilder-von-anderen...
        Godel_unicode 4y ago
        You should tell your Supreme Court that, they just ruled that street photography is constitutionally protected art.

Godel_unicode 4y ago

> There is not much room for discussion And yet here we are. You’re not in charge, and telling other people what they are and aren’t allowed to do just to meet some arbitrary desire of yours is being a dick. Do you really expect everyone not to take pictures and videos of games you’re at? Museums you’re in? Concerts you attend? Come on.

still_grokking 4y ago
Thankfully I'm in the EU. It's my right to demand that. (This does not mean that everybody conforms to the law. But people that don't would be at least liable for damages.) Edit, to clarify: Of course you can film in public. But you're required to cut out people who didn't give explicit consent before showing the material in public or handing it over to third parties.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  No it isn’t (there are similar laws in at least France and Italy, and a much broader one in the UK). All of this delightful nuance goes to my previous point; there’s plenty to debate and discuss here and the whole idea of an absolute right to privacy in public is comical. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/kunsturhg/__23.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/kunsturhg/__23.html
  - still_grokking 4y ago
    There is no "absolute right to privacy in public", of course. But distributing or handing over such material is limited and requires usually consent. Please pay special attention to the second sentence of the cited paragraph.
    - Godel_unicode 4y ago
      No it doesn’t. That consent is gated around violating their legitimate purpose (see the other words in that second paragraph). So in general just posting stuff/uploading to TikTok/facebook/etc does not require consent and you don’t have a right to have it taken down without specific cause.
      - still_grokking 4y ago
        No, that's wrong. We're talking here about rights that are derived directly form the first sentence of the German constitution! Such right is very strong. Only in exceptional cases it can be overruled by other constitutional rights. Details can be found for example here: https://www.prigge-recht.de/wann-darf-ich-bilder-von-anderen-veroeffentlichen/ https://www.prigge-recht.de/wann-darf-ich-bilder-von-anderen...
        Godel_unicode 4y ago
        You should tell your Supreme Court that, they just ruled that street photography is constitutionally protected art.