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I guess if the next generation decides to all become homicidal maniacs and kill every previous generation then that's not better or worse? I know that is extre

I guess if the next generation decides to all become homicidal maniacs and kill every previous generation then that's not better or worse? I know that is extreme but I hate the attitude that the quirks and preferences are neither better nor worse. Some quirks could be worse if it becomes society-disrupting.

int_19h 4y ago
Did the next generation decide that? Has there ever been an example of such a thing? Somehow, when you look at those "younguns are bad" rants from 50 or 100 years ago, pretty much every time it's over some issue that can only elicit laughter today. Especially when it comes to predictions.
- watwut 4y ago
  Some generations are worst behaved then others. Some commit more crimes then others. However, this is not an example of that.
jesuscript 4y ago
Dude, I could care less about the newer generations quirks. I'm concerned about aggregate behavior altering sensibilities in society. This stuff is happening at scale and globally. It's not "oh western people do this", it's everyone and it's not even limited to the youth age group. It has permeated into the adult lives of millinials/gen x. They do the same shit, so the age range is literally from 7 years old (when do these little shitheads get phones now days?) all the way to fucking 50+.
- standardUser 4y ago
  What exactly are you so deeply concerned with? People being weird in public sometimes?
  - jesuscript 4y ago
    Like I said man, it's a rabbit hole. The need for attention, coupled with virtualized existences on display for status/adulation at a constant rate, all lead to implications of vanity issues at best, and at worse, pathological personality disorders (narcissism). And they are starting young, and there is very limited feedback from their peer group that it's not the best thing to be going down that slope. But who am I to label a vast swath of the 2023 global population pathologically fucked going forward. How far would I get explaining to people in the 1950s that they might be immoral racists? I hope I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing, things ain't slowing down.
    - standardUser 4y ago
      I can see where you're coming from. Try coming from the opposite perspective, from the viewpoint of the countless millions who have had to hide themselves away from the world because society was so needlessly rigid, and too much deviation from the norm got them beat up or fired or otherwise ostracized. And then we get the fallout from that ostracization: anti-social behavior, drug abuse, suicide. I'd rather live in a world where people can be complete fucking weirdos without any consequence, except when their weirdness directly harms other people.
      - jesuscript 4y ago
        I would never argue for curtailing self expression. A drug analogy might actually work here. I would say, it's fine, smoke the weed. But be careful little ones, because lately I've been seeing you smoking weed and alcohol together and the latter will take a hold of you. I hope that makes sense, and it's the best middle ground I can find in this exchange.
polynomial 4y ago
Correct. The current thing is just a thing after all. Let's try to stop judging people who don't hold the same values we do, just let them do them. (Obviously if they are killing people, such other people might be mildly inconvenienced, not sure what to do about that. One problem at a time?)

int_19h 4y ago

Did the next generation decide that? Has there ever been an example of such a thing? Somehow, when you look at those "younguns are bad" rants from 50 or 100 years ago, pretty much every time it's over some issue that can only elicit laughter today. Especially when it comes to predictions.

watwut 4y ago
Some generations are worst behaved then others. Some commit more crimes then others. However, this is not an example of that.

jesuscript 4y ago

Dude, I could care less about the newer generations quirks. I'm concerned about aggregate behavior altering sensibilities in society. This stuff is happening at scale and globally. It's not "oh western people do this", it's everyone and it's not even limited to the youth age group. It has permeated into the adult lives of millinials/gen x. They do the same shit, so the age range is literally from 7 years old (when do these little shitheads get phones now days?) all the way to fucking 50+.

standardUser 4y ago
What exactly are you so deeply concerned with? People being weird in public sometimes?
- jesuscript 4y ago
  Like I said man, it's a rabbit hole. The need for attention, coupled with virtualized existences on display for status/adulation at a constant rate, all lead to implications of vanity issues at best, and at worse, pathological personality disorders (narcissism). And they are starting young, and there is very limited feedback from their peer group that it's not the best thing to be going down that slope. But who am I to label a vast swath of the 2023 global population pathologically fucked going forward. How far would I get explaining to people in the 1950s that they might be immoral racists? I hope I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing, things ain't slowing down.
  - standardUser 4y ago
    I can see where you're coming from. Try coming from the opposite perspective, from the viewpoint of the countless millions who have had to hide themselves away from the world because society was so needlessly rigid, and too much deviation from the norm got them beat up or fired or otherwise ostracized. And then we get the fallout from that ostracization: anti-social behavior, drug abuse, suicide. I'd rather live in a world where people can be complete fucking weirdos without any consequence, except when their weirdness directly harms other people.
    - jesuscript 4y ago
      I would never argue for curtailing self expression. A drug analogy might actually work here. I would say, it's fine, smoke the weed. But be careful little ones, because lately I've been seeing you smoking weed and alcohol together and the latter will take a hold of you. I hope that makes sense, and it's the best middle ground I can find in this exchange.

polynomial 4y ago

Correct. The current thing is just a thing after all. Let's try to stop judging people who don't hold the same values we do, just let them do them. (Obviously if they are killing people, such other people might be mildly inconvenienced, not sure what to do about that. One problem at a time?)