6 ms·

Repeat after me and breathe deeply: The quirks and preferences of the next generation that are different from my quirks and preferences are just different, not

• jesuscript 4y ago
  It's not as generational as you think (and I realize this makes my previous post hypocritical, but whatever). I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice something is a little off with the trends even amongst ourselves. We're turning weird, and not in a healthy way. Maybe others closer to these trends can chime in.
  • TulliusCicero 4y ago
    > I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice something is a little off with the trends even amongst ourselves. Do you think this wasn't true among previous generations?
    • jesuscript 4y ago
      This is a rabbit hole if we go back and forth. Yes, there was always a get-off-my-lawn element in previous generations. But I am trying to hone in on certain critiques that are valid for certain generations. I'll give in you an example: It was (whether the generation was self aware or not) mostly acceptably for people in America in the 1950s to be mildly racist towards black people (it's just, how they grew up, it was the status quo). That's not a get-off-my-lawn observation of that demographic. This was not a simple generational "quirk", it was a notable flaw. Socially, I think somethings a little up with whatever is going on now days. But that's just me and history will sort this. Things are very hard to sort out as it's actually happening.
      • 2devnull 4y ago
        We’re more racist than ever, we just don’t see it now.
        • cyberlurker 4y ago
          You are in a bubble. We have problems today but we don't have separate water fountains for races enforced by law.
          • 2devnull 4y ago
            Hate crimes in 2021 were at the highest level in over a decade. https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-crime-incidents-recorded-by-the-fbi/ https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-cr...
            • defrost 4y ago
              Strictly speaking that's Reported hate crimes passed onto and recorded by the FBI. These details matter in Understanding Data 101 .. consult your history for lynchings made public on newspaper front pages and sold as postcards yet not reported as hate crimes.
              • 2devnull 4y ago
                Would we have even known about George Floyd without the video? Go on thinking we’ve eliminated racism. You’re factually incorrect.
                • defrost 4y ago
                  You're not making any sense here. 1) I don't think "we" 've eliminated racism (who's 'we' here?) 2) It is factually correct that an increase in reporting of hate crime doesn't logically correlate with an increase (or decrease) in actual hate crime numbers. In recent decades in the US it is a sign that hate crime is being taken more seriously and being reported more often by local LEO's to the central FBI stats page. As you yourself acknowledge the US has known past issues with the reporting of hate crime and there's good reason to suspect that a high proportion of past sch crimes have gone unreported, to either local LEO's or to federal tally sheets. Note that from a crime stats PoV the US FBI database is barely adequate compared to crime logging in other G20 countries, it's riddled with issues and the FBI meta commentary acknowledges the shortcomings.
  • DAVer98 4y ago
    [dead]
• chillbill 4y ago
  [flagged]
• travisjungroth 4y ago
  > People have been complaining about the terrible thing the new generation does since there has been people. People have also been saying “it’s going to get colder” every summer as long as there have been people out of the tropics.
• wpietri 4y ago
  Yeah, honestly, even as an old, I think the kids are generally amazing. I am very optimistic. I have my grumbles, but the amount of old bullshit they are rejecting outright is heartening. Better new mistakes than old ones.
• vouaobrasil 4y ago
  I guess if the next generation decides to all become homicidal maniacs and kill every previous generation then that's not better or worse? I know that is extreme but I hate the attitude that the quirks and preferences are neither better nor worse. Some quirks could be worse if it becomes society-disrupting.
  • int_19h 4y ago
    Did the next generation decide that? Has there ever been an example of such a thing? Somehow, when you look at those "younguns are bad" rants from 50 or 100 years ago, pretty much every time it's over some issue that can only elicit laughter today. Especially when it comes to predictions.
    • watwut 4y ago
      Some generations are worst behaved then others. Some commit more crimes then others. However, this is not an example of that.
  • jesuscript 4y ago
    Dude, I could care less about the newer generations quirks. I'm concerned about aggregate behavior altering sensibilities in society. This stuff is happening at scale and globally. It's not "oh western people do this", it's everyone and it's not even limited to the youth age group. It has permeated into the adult lives of millinials/gen x. They do the same shit, so the age range is literally from 7 years old (when do these little shitheads get phones now days?) all the way to fucking 50+.
    • standardUser 4y ago
      What exactly are you so deeply concerned with? People being weird in public sometimes?
      • jesuscript 4y ago
        Like I said man, it's a rabbit hole. The need for attention, coupled with virtualized existences on display for status/adulation at a constant rate, all lead to implications of vanity issues at best, and at worse, pathological personality disorders (narcissism). And they are starting young, and there is very limited feedback from their peer group that it's not the best thing to be going down that slope. But who am I to label a vast swath of the 2023 global population pathologically fucked going forward. How far would I get explaining to people in the 1950s that they might be immoral racists? I hope I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing, things ain't slowing down.
• onetimeusename 4y ago
  I see people filming themselves at the gym a lot for tiktok videos I assume. Both men and women alike. I've seen them set up tripods or have camera assistants who circle around them filming. It makes me extremely uncomfortable being in the background of a sexualized gym video. Let's not kid ourselves, that's what a lot of these videos are, give me a break. They aren't just filming their abs or biceps or squat video from behind just purely for fitness' sake and they are well aware that their followers are not just really into fitness. I wouldn't really care if they did it by themselves. For one thing I just don't want to be identified in the background of what is essentially softcore erotica and for another I don't want to be identifiable by Chinese AI or have some sort of weird profile set up that matches my features on their end (or anywhere). These are real actual harms in my opinion and not just gripes about the next generation.
  • temporallobe 4y ago
    I see this as well, but in my gym it doesn’t seem to be sexual in any way, so I think it depends on the gym and the type of patrons that attend it. Or maybe I’m just naive and didn’t think of it in that way. I will admit it makes me a bit irritated because I never know if I’m accidentally gonna end up in someone’s shot.
    • 2devnull 4y ago
      A dude doing deadlifts is cool. A woman it’s pretty much always sexual. That’s why they get so many viewers. It’s pervos on YouTube or TikTok wanting to see their spandex clad fannies doing squats. There’s no other reason for lululemon than flagrant sexual exhibitionism. It’s easier to work out with loose fitting clothes.
      • cyberlurker 4y ago
        Athleisure clothes are absolutely comfortable. It is insane to say that entire brand is only for sexual exhibitionism. Lol Their clothes are also extremely well made and have outlasted similar Puma, Nike, Adidas pairs.
• bratwurst3000 4y ago
  Here my 2 cents. The group we are talking about, mostly kids, is beeing targeted by the industriy to consume. They are targeted by ads and even whole campagnes where a lifestyle is sold. So with that in mind maybe the kids where never allright and we have to be suspect of some trends today. Personaly as someone who grew up in the dawn of social media, I am very against this trend of making everything to content. It cant be good for the brain to be focused that hard on what other people are thinking
  • JamisonM 4y ago
    It is funny that I kinda see it exactly the other way.. we live in a world that is much less about the local community so these people are both /choosing/ to care what other people think and /choosing/ what they present to those other people. Most normie kids don't make any content.. they just don't.. you can still live a super-normal life and that is what most people do.
• CPLX 4y ago
  That's one frame of reference. Another way of looking at it is that there have always been profit or power seeking activities that cause massive harm to entire generations, until the culture finally learns how to rise up and counteract it. Usually the pattern is that something genuinely new comes along that we don't have a plan for, millions of people are terribly harmed, and then we sort of figure it out. Industrialization brought great progress, but it blackened lungs and enslaved children until the progressive labor movement restored some balance. Mechanized warfare and the desire to dominate Europe laid waste to two entire generations, globally, before modern international cooperation brought it somewhat to heel. We poured toxic waste into all the rivers, we applied different laws to people who had different colored skin, we incinerated people who were unlucky enough to be born above oil deposits, all to make a few bucks. And we've let tech media companies relentlessly commercialize and sexualize us, drive us to anger in search of "engagement" and disassociate us from each other and from our work and things that give us meaning, for at least two generations. Hopefully we'll figure out how to move past this era too. It's not a "kids are alright" kind of moment, it's just one of generations of examples of greed leading to people getting harmed.
• cptskippy 4y ago
  It's not even a generational thing. Boomers have some of the worst etiquette. When I grew up it was rude to call people at dinner time. If you called someone while they were eating it was either ignored, sent to answering machine, or it was answered with a curt "we're eating" before hanging up. This was the 1990s. When I got my first cellphone, I made a point of excusing myself and leaving a room if it rang because that's how I was raised. These days boomers seem to have forgotten this etiquette they impressed upon Gen X and Millennials. They answer their phones on speakerphone whenever without excusing themselves and and are completely unapologetic. People in general today have no concern for walking around in public while having a phone call and get offended if you mistake their conversation and acknowledge them. As rude as it might seem to keep Airpods in all of the time, they have at least saved us from having to listen to other people carrying on and give a visual queue to ignore someone speaking around you.
• sbaiddn 4y ago
  "Repeat after me and breathe deeply:" Speaking of annoying quirks.