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Still hoping someone releases a bootloader exploit for iPads that would allow dual booting macOS -- it's such a shame that my iPad has the same SoC as my Macboo

Still hoping someone releases a bootloader exploit for iPads that would allow dual booting macOS -- it's such a shame that my iPad has the same SoC as my Macbook, but is so incredibly limited; I can't even run a website in the background.

fragmede 4y ago
In what way? Or rather kind of websites are you referring to? I can listen to NPR or Spotify via the website on my iphone while using other apps which obviously isn't the full gamut of "run websites in the background" but I'm quite happy that works.
- warning26 4y ago
  My general test case is to use YouTube as a music player in the background. On a laptop, this will always work without any issue. On any mobile-ish browser, it won’t.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Why did you buy one then? If only there was a way to signal to Apple that you do not like artificial limitations being imposed on you.
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  It’s kind of funny to think that my buying choices will influence a trillion dollar company. There are limits to market theory, it does not lead to perfect products.
- freedomben 4y ago
  I'm disappointed that this question is downvoted, because I would also like to know the answer. I would guess it's "because even an artifically limited iPad is still better than every alternative," (which is fair. It's a personal preference, and those are all equally valid IMHO), but I've been trying to understand why people who dislike Apple's philosophy still buy so much Apple stuff.
  - Karupan 4y ago
    That was definitely the reason I got an iPad. I looked but haven't found a tablet that has the same build quality, performance and battery life. Too bad the software is so locked down!
    - celticninja 4y ago
      What do you use it for?.my tablet is primarily used for reading comics and technical books, at which it excels. If I need to do anything more challenging then it makes sense to use my laptop, even copy and paste between applications is a ballache on any tablet compared to a pc. So what is the extra apple price getting you, or more usefully what are you doing on the iPad that an alternative tablet could not do?
      - Karupan 4y ago
        Valid question. For me, it’s about being in the apple ecosystem and seamlessly integrating with my other devices. I use it as a second monitor when traveling with my MacBook and use it as a HomeKit hub.
    - anakaine 4y ago
      I'm in the same boat. I've got an ipad pro, meaning m1 and a good enough amount of ram and storage. I'd love for it to be able to run MacOS. I bought it because I wanted a good tablet. I'd just like to be able to have a good tablet and not have to buy a Macbook too since I have decent windows machines anyway. It's a want, not a need, to be able to run macos.
    - bronson 4y ago
      I can't find anything even close to the iPad plus Pencil for sketching/crative stuff. First I tried a Yoga 2-in-1, then a Surface, both Windows & Linux... Then I tried an iPad pro. It's just no contest. The iPad and Pencil always have battery, always ready to go, and there are tons of very high-quality stylus-oriented apps. The other platforms were a laborious wasteland. It's frustrating because I mostly use Linux elsewhere. (that said, the iPad has some idiotic warts too... like file sync is terrible, and Apple makes it so it's basically impossible for apps to fix that. And 30% is highway robbery)
- empyrrhicist 4y ago
  I would have assumed form factor...
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Apple doesn't hear when you don't buy an iPad, so it's a strange signal.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > If only there was a way to signal to Apple that you do not like artificial limitations In Europe they call it legislation!
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    In Europe, most people give money to Google instead.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Building the world you want to see via individual purchasing decisions is an extremely neoliberal (whether lib or con) notion.
- rtpg 4y ago
  Perhaps there are things that they like about the tool and that work well enough in iOS. There is no line item veto on signaling liking or disliking a thing overall. It is possible to (for example) dislike locked down systems but like having a tablet that works well for normal purposes, and for that balance to end up with a purchase. People like to act like buying a thing with properties they don't like is something only rubes do, but everyone does this all the time. It's perfectly reasonable to want things to be better without actively boycotting something that is merely mediocre!
- atkailash 4y ago
  One can simultaneously find practicality in a device in its current state while also recognizing its flaws or obvious potential. It’s not an all or nothing situation.
- alex7734 4y ago
  Every non-PC device nowadays has artificial limitations.
- mattigames 4y ago
  A MacBook is my main development computer but is because is the one the company I work for gave me, they didn't let me pick or anything, I would have never picked it over a Windows alternative, still I like to talk about the things and dislike and the few I like about it. In general good idea to not in mediately assume that just because you are an user of something you were the one that bought it or chose it.
- devwastaken 4y ago
  Wallet voting doesn't change patent or copyrights. Doesn't change political influence, and certainly doesn't change the market. That's a lie made up so people think they have some control of big essential corps. Microsoft, or Apple or any other big names are essential services. They will do whatever they want, and you have to buy it eventually. The decisions are made by execs whom don't associate with consumers like you or I. Any time Apple makes a change, it's not because they read feedback. It's because of the whims of big wigs at apple. And apple hands down makes the best tech. By being born you're in the game, and to compete you need what the other guy is competing with.
- ls15 4y ago
  Because there are things that only work on an iPad, such as accessing the high quality touch-enabled audio/music apps that only run on iOS. Most app makers simply don't create them for Android. I think it is an awesome product, but that does not mean that I am against Apple being forced to open up their walled garden. Voting with my wallet does not always help.
xattt 4y ago
With a recent announcement that Apple is considering third party app stores and side-loading, I’m betting that future iPhones with USB-C and iPads will enable some form of docking that will enable a rudimentary desktop environment and let you run desktop Mac OS apps.
- layer8 4y ago
  Why would Apple reduce the number of devices you need to buy?
  - lionkor 4y ago
    Could make them each the price of 2 (once over)
saagarjha 4y ago
You’d need drivers too?
japanman425 4y ago
Buy a windows machine?
_cenw 4y ago
Honestly, it feels like something Apple might be working towards with Universal apps (allowing you to run iPad apps in "macOS mode") and iOS-ifying macOS (Settings, larger would-be touch targets). Stage Manager being a feature that shipped to both macOS and iOS and requires Apple Silicon is also a pretty good hint.

fragmede 4y ago

In what way? Or rather kind of websites are you referring to? I can listen to NPR or Spotify via the website on my iphone while using other apps which obviously isn't the full gamut of "run websites in the background" but I'm quite happy that works.

warning26 4y ago
My general test case is to use YouTube as a music player in the background. On a laptop, this will always work without any issue. On any mobile-ish browser, it won’t.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Why did you buy one then? If only there was a way to signal to Apple that you do not like artificial limitations being imposed on you.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
It’s kind of funny to think that my buying choices will influence a trillion dollar company. There are limits to market theory, it does not lead to perfect products.
freedomben 4y ago
I'm disappointed that this question is downvoted, because I would also like to know the answer. I would guess it's "because even an artifically limited iPad is still better than every alternative," (which is fair. It's a personal preference, and those are all equally valid IMHO), but I've been trying to understand why people who dislike Apple's philosophy still buy so much Apple stuff.
- Karupan 4y ago
  That was definitely the reason I got an iPad. I looked but haven't found a tablet that has the same build quality, performance and battery life. Too bad the software is so locked down!
  - celticninja 4y ago
    What do you use it for?.my tablet is primarily used for reading comics and technical books, at which it excels. If I need to do anything more challenging then it makes sense to use my laptop, even copy and paste between applications is a ballache on any tablet compared to a pc. So what is the extra apple price getting you, or more usefully what are you doing on the iPad that an alternative tablet could not do?
    - Karupan 4y ago
      Valid question. For me, it’s about being in the apple ecosystem and seamlessly integrating with my other devices. I use it as a second monitor when traveling with my MacBook and use it as a HomeKit hub.
  - anakaine 4y ago
    I'm in the same boat. I've got an ipad pro, meaning m1 and a good enough amount of ram and storage. I'd love for it to be able to run MacOS. I bought it because I wanted a good tablet. I'd just like to be able to have a good tablet and not have to buy a Macbook too since I have decent windows machines anyway. It's a want, not a need, to be able to run macos.
  - bronson 4y ago
    I can't find anything even close to the iPad plus Pencil for sketching/crative stuff. First I tried a Yoga 2-in-1, then a Surface, both Windows & Linux... Then I tried an iPad pro. It's just no contest. The iPad and Pencil always have battery, always ready to go, and there are tons of very high-quality stylus-oriented apps. The other platforms were a laborious wasteland. It's frustrating because I mostly use Linux elsewhere. (that said, the iPad has some idiotic warts too... like file sync is terrible, and Apple makes it so it's basically impossible for apps to fix that. And 30% is highway robbery)
empyrrhicist 4y ago
I would have assumed form factor...
pessimizer 4y ago
Apple doesn't hear when you don't buy an iPad, so it's a strange signal.
smoldesu 4y ago
> If only there was a way to signal to Apple that you do not like artificial limitations In Europe they call it legislation!
- pjmlp 4y ago
  In Europe, most people give money to Google instead.
wahnfrieden 4y ago
Building the world you want to see via individual purchasing decisions is an extremely neoliberal (whether lib or con) notion.
rtpg 4y ago
Perhaps there are things that they like about the tool and that work well enough in iOS. There is no line item veto on signaling liking or disliking a thing overall. It is possible to (for example) dislike locked down systems but like having a tablet that works well for normal purposes, and for that balance to end up with a purchase. People like to act like buying a thing with properties they don't like is something only rubes do, but everyone does this all the time. It's perfectly reasonable to want things to be better without actively boycotting something that is merely mediocre!
atkailash 4y ago
One can simultaneously find practicality in a device in its current state while also recognizing its flaws or obvious potential. It’s not an all or nothing situation.
alex7734 4y ago
Every non-PC device nowadays has artificial limitations.
mattigames 4y ago
A MacBook is my main development computer but is because is the one the company I work for gave me, they didn't let me pick or anything, I would have never picked it over a Windows alternative, still I like to talk about the things and dislike and the few I like about it. In general good idea to not in mediately assume that just because you are an user of something you were the one that bought it or chose it.
devwastaken 4y ago
Wallet voting doesn't change patent or copyrights. Doesn't change political influence, and certainly doesn't change the market. That's a lie made up so people think they have some control of big essential corps. Microsoft, or Apple or any other big names are essential services. They will do whatever they want, and you have to buy it eventually. The decisions are made by execs whom don't associate with consumers like you or I. Any time Apple makes a change, it's not because they read feedback. It's because of the whims of big wigs at apple. And apple hands down makes the best tech. By being born you're in the game, and to compete you need what the other guy is competing with.
ls15 4y ago
Because there are things that only work on an iPad, such as accessing the high quality touch-enabled audio/music apps that only run on iOS. Most app makers simply don't create them for Android. I think it is an awesome product, but that does not mean that I am against Apple being forced to open up their walled garden. Voting with my wallet does not always help.

xattt 4y ago

With a recent announcement that Apple is considering third party app stores and side-loading, I’m betting that future iPhones with USB-C and iPads will enable some form of docking that will enable a rudimentary desktop environment and let you run desktop Mac OS apps.

layer8 4y ago
Why would Apple reduce the number of devices you need to buy?
- lionkor 4y ago
  Could make them each the price of 2 (once over)

saagarjha 4y ago

You’d need drivers too?

japanman425 4y ago

Buy a windows machine?

_cenw 4y ago

Honestly, it feels like something Apple might be working towards with Universal apps (allowing you to run iPad apps in "macOS mode") and iOS-ifying macOS (Settings, larger would-be touch targets). Stage Manager being a feature that shipped to both macOS and iOS and requires Apple Silicon is also a pretty good hint.