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Will You Help Me Repair My Door [video]

290 points by etc-hosts 4y ago

kova12 4y ago
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Rebelgecko 4y ago
The song from his previous music video about the raid is much catcher IMO (https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU). Also, going through his channel it's crazy to see how prolific he's been. More on topic, the raid seems like a total miscarriage of justice- these sheriffs rolled up in camo and busted in like they were storming bin Laden's compound. All that work to confiscate 2 joints (its actually kinda funny, I would've assumed Afroman would have a lot more... Although he does have a song about how he only needs 2 zigzags) They aso tried to civil forfeiture $5k in cash but ended up giving it back. Afroman did a whole thing with the local news where he went to the sheriff to pick up the money, and they filmed him opening the evidence bags. The count cMe up short. $400 went missing while the money was in the evidence locker, whoops.
- etc-hosts 4y ago
  I posted this one because it's a tiny bit more family friendly than the one you mentioned. This scandal makes me think the Constitutional Sheriff movement might be very bad. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/2587-constitutional-sheriffs-and-peace-officers-association https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/2587-constitution...
  - JoeyBananas 4y ago
    What is the connection between this incident and the Constitutional Sheriff movement?
    - etc-hosts 4y ago
      no direct connection I think the Constitutional Sheriff movement and idolization of local sheriffs is troubling.
      - Phiwise_ 4y ago
        >The connection is I wish there was one Okay lol.
  - losteric 4y ago
    For those new to the term "Constitutional Sheriff" > The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) is a political organization of local police officials in the United States who contend that federal and state government authorities are subordinate to the local authority of county sheriffs. Self-described constitutional sheriffs assert that they are the supreme legal authority with the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional. As a result, they may sometimes be referred to as sovereign sheriffs. via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Pe... Terrifying.
    - trilbyglens 4y ago
      Time to get that EU passport kids.
      - InCityDreams 4y ago
        Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    Very few sheriffs had the guts to publicly state they would not enforce unconstitutional covid mandates. They were unconstitutional. That has been proven. It was illegal for officers of the law to enforce them. I don't think the primary law enforcement problem in the US is Sheriffs. Say what you will about police. These are not the same organizations.
    - etc-hosts 4y ago
      Are you talking about mask mandates or vaccine mandates?
      - upsidesinclude 4y ago
        Executive orders issued by the Biden administration https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/90658/supreme-court-rules-biden-vaccine-mandate-for-businesses-is-unconstitutional https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/90658/supreme-court-rules-...
        armada651 4y ago
        The OHSA mandate never went into effect as far as I know. Besides even if it did go into effect it wouldn't be something a sheriff would enforce, as it is up to OHSA to enforce its mandates.
        upsidesinclude 4y ago
        The administration used news outlets to pump the mandate and companies preemptively executed the order. OSHA does not yet have any policing powers, this was an attempt to generate them.
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        roflyear 4y ago
        So what does this have to do with your original claim of police enforcing unconstitutional mandates? Nothing? I'm losing the thread here...
- britneybitch 4y ago
  I watched that video when this was going around on reddit recently. That "white supremacists on my premises" hook is one of the slickest rhymes I've heard in a while.
  - th3b0x 4y ago
    He predicted my own interpretation of what I saw.
- fckgnad 4y ago
  I like this one better because it cracks me up more then the other music video. Let me ask you something officer, any kidnapping victims inside my suite pockets?
mkmk 4y ago
What is the safest (from a privacy perspective) and easiest way to set up in-home cameras?
- 0ct4via 4y ago
  Safest != easiest, you can't necessarily have both, at least not without decent expense. "Safety" from a "privacy perspective" depends on your threat model, and how you feel about cloud storage. There are obviously options which don't use the cloud, which can range from cameras storing on local microSD cards, to cameras that feed to a local Linux box running ZoneMinder. The "easiest" way would be the "camera with microSD storage" option, with options ranging from the likes of Dufy and Waze, to Reolink and others. Aside from running your own "NVR" type box locally (or remotely/colo), if you're not happy with cloud providings from the likes of Eufy, Ring (owned by Amazon), or Nest (owned by Alphabet), a number of cameras support Apple's HomeKit Secure Video (HKSV) -- which just pushes video through an Apple HomeKit hub (Apple TV, HomePod, etc.) rather than a third party cloud provider. Your privacy goals may differ from others -- whether it depends on who the cloud storage is with, or no cloud storage at all, whether you want wireless or hard-wired cameras, and whether you're concerned about any local storage potentially being removed from the property. You'd need to give more information on what you're looking for, for folk to advise -- alternatively, there are more than enough sites and blogs with comparisons and write-ups of home surveillance offerings.
- defrost 4y ago
  In the context of a raid such as this ... you'd want, at least, visible hard wired camera's (not WiFi - jamming) going to a NAS box (for storage) with a distinct colour network cable from that NAS apparently direct to the main router .. The cunning part is to have additional hidden cameras hard wired within the studs going to a second well hidden NAS box that takes the direct mirror feed from the first NAS box via a hidden diversion of the seemingly direct cable. The intent is to have sacrifical cameras and sacrifical storage .. along with additional cameras and mirrored sacrifical camera + additional storage .. and then optional encrypted offsite backup. Cables Vs WiFi is interesting - cables can be traced, but they are harder to remotely tap or jam.
etc-hosts 4y ago
Looks like you need to have a hidden camera system monitoring your camera system.
- smcl 4y ago
  Yeah I wonder on what grounds the police can start unplugging shit in your house. This also happened in the Adrian Schoolcraft case - when the police burst into his house to take him in he was recording audio on one device which they found, unplugged and destroyed ... but they failed to find the second device (which is how we know). It's kinda wild how if the police might have a grudge against you, you'll have to setup multiple recording devices in case they break in and do some illegal shit. There's a reason there's a song called "Fuck the police" and none called "Fuck the ambulance service" or "Fuck the firemen"
  - brianzelip 4y ago
    See Public Enemy, '911 is a Joke', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDIitWz8Go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDIitWz8Go
    - pocketsand 4y ago
      A song that laments how 911 ignores poor/black neighborhoods embodies a different sentiment than "fuck the police."
    - smcl 4y ago
      I can see where you're going but I don't think these are the same. So on the one hand we have a song that describes how the police systematically target and brutalise black people in the USA and lays out the hatred and distrust the community feels towards them as a result. And on the other we have a song that says emergency services ignore black people due to the same systemic racism. I mean I'm editorialising a little, but while both suggest that black people are getting a pretty rotten deal decades after people usually thing the struggle for civil rights for black people were fought and ultimately won ... one indicates real, visceral hatred towards a single institution which has famously and repeatedly been confirmed to be well deserved (and additionally as a phrase or slogan is itself very well known around the anglophone world). The other does neither.
kuhewa 4y ago
Back story https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83gq/afroman-raided-by-cops-interview https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83gq/afroman-raided-by-cop...
- etc-hosts 4y ago
  When asked for comment, Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers said the result of a neighboring sheriff’s office investigation into Afroman’s claim is imminent. He also that the attention the rapper’s songs have generated has turned into a wave of threats against his deputies. “I can handle it, but I don’t appreciate some of the messages coming in about Adams County deputies getting ambushed, ‘I hope they die slow,’” Rogers said. “It’s kind of tolling on some of the officers. I doubt that your family would want that said about you.” The Adams County sheriff presumably knew Mr Afroman has at least 2 kids, a son and a daughter, but they broke into his house wielding long guns, pistols, and a riot shield anyway. I like the part where a deputy is poking around behind the couch with his gun.
  - TaylorAlexander 4y ago
    “We can break in to your house with guns, but don’t say mean things about us.” is about what I would expect from US cops.
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  - reset-password 4y ago
    Consequences. Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers is looking for the word 'consequences'.
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
This isn't the first time he's been robbed by police https://thebigfootdiaries.blogspot.com/2015/02/afroman-puts-out-statement-says-hes.html?m=1 https://thebigfootdiaries.blogspot.com/2015/02/afroman-puts-...
smcl 4y ago
The image of the kids drawings next to the door being broken in is quite shocking. This undoubtedly happens to people who don't have the means or the reach to record and put a video out for millions to see. What's a shame is that if Afroman is ultimately successful in getting compensated for what appears to be a pretty meaningless raid, it won't come from the police but from "low hanging fruit" like local libraries or similar :(
abetusk 4y ago
Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear and sporting an assault rifle during the raid? Do police departments outsource some of their work to third party contractors for raids like this? Is this person part of some local militia? Shot of the person I'm talking about at 2m11s [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s
- meltyness 4y ago
  Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Afroman has good taste though, those HS-5s sound beautiful, surprised he didn't spring for the 8inch subs though. Guess it's simple if you're not mastering jungle.
  - throw0101c 4y ago
    >> Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear […] > Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Was the operational target a structure in a wooded area where this individual needed to sneak up on without visual detection? Is that the reason for the foliage-coloured camo? Because it does not look like the operation involved sneaking around a wooded area to me.
    - flandish 4y ago
      Correct to question it. The reason is simple: Police units cosplay as military units. (going so far as to call themselves “paramilitary.”) Couple that desire to cosplay with a large funnel of tax dollars going to purchase military purpose weapons for potential use on domestic civilians and we have a resultant system no different than high-school aged kids wanting to prep for airsoft. Except it is different. They have the ability (and sometimes even the express desire to) escalate and potentially kill other people. Outside of the due process that is the law they swear to uphold when sworn in to service.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      Look up some photos of police during the Ferguson protests. In US, SWAT loves camouflage and, more broadly, anything that makes them look "operator". It has done a full circle now where companies that design camo patterns make ones specifically for police, such that they don't have any actual camouflaging purposes, but still look like camo (and not just boring plain blue or whatever). The language used by the manufacturers to describe them is very telling, e.g.: "The MultiCam Black™ pattern was developed to meet the unique requirements of law enforcement officers operating in high-risk environments. It projects a distinctly authoritative presence appropriate for domestic operations. MultiCam Black™ is designed to complement an officer’s existing equipment and present a sharp, professional image for top-tier law enforcement units." (here's how this "authoritative presence" actually looks: https://i.imgur.com/TqyzNJp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TqyzNJp.jpg) Or here's another one: "Ghost was derived from both A-TACS iX and LE-X. Ghost is designed and a tactical option for Military, Government and Law Enforcement Urban Operations. Ghost combined eleven variable shades of neutral grey that not only gives it and aggressive look, but it is also very effective in urban settings." (https://i.imgur.com/jteSPvH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jteSPvH.jpg)
s5300 4y ago
Finding out Afroman is raising his family in one of the most impoverished parts of Southern Ohio was strange. I wonder if he doesn’t have much $ in the form of royalties flowing in.
- silisili 4y ago
  He had one rather silly hit that became popular, then overplayed and annoying soon after. He's done some other ventures, small concerts, etc since, but I don't imagine he has a fortune. If he was able to buy a nice place and retire, I'd say he's financially smarter than 99% of celebrities.
  - marklyon 4y ago
    His wife is from there. Maybe it's nicer than Hattiesburg.
    - etc-hosts 4y ago
      Being nicer than Hattiesburg is very easy!
  - pocketsand 4y ago
    Because I got high made a ton of money, and he would have made a lot more if 9/11 didn't happen. There's a nice documentary on him and that song. Seems like a genuine guy.
    - bdowling 4y ago
      But did it make a ton of money for him? The music industry isn't exactly known for putting artists first (i.e., musicians often don't make anything until all the expenses, advertising, promotion, payola, etc. are paid).
- agentwiggles 4y ago
  I was also surprised by this aspect of things. A quick Google at one of those net worth estimation sites pegged him at a net worth of about a million, which isn't exactly going to buy a mansion in Beverly Hills (or even Columbus). More than me, though, and the guy seems to be having fun. I followed the link in the video to his Twitter page thinking it might have more information on the raid... Instead, it's almost exclusively videos of him signing the boobs of his fans. Gave me a good chuckle.
justahuman74 4y ago
It's wild that the cops aren't held liable for this
- just_steve_h 4y ago
  Read up on “qualified immunity.” My only slightly exaggerated take is that police on duty can do whatever they want to whomever they want - up to and including killing someone - and not be held liable.
  - avmich 4y ago
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity : In the United States, qualified immunity is a legal principle that grants government officials performing discretionary (optional) functions immunity from civil suits unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known".[1] I'm sure killing people violates clearly established constitutional rights, so the concept looks puzzling.
    - bitwize 4y ago
      Well, that's why cops carry a drop knife or throwdown pistol, to plant on somebody they wrongly kill in the line of duty. Dave Chappelle's "Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get out of here" wasn't just fanciful comedy.
    - tbrownaw 4y ago
      "clearly established" doesn't mean what a sane adult would think it means. A web search should turn up plenty of blogs by lawyers ranting helplessly about whatever the latest absurdity was.
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- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Sometimes they are but then very serious people say it's a tragedy.
yakkityyak 4y ago
I’m telling you, the only way out of this mess is to eliminate qualified immunity, and becoming a cop should entail forfeiting many civil rights in exchange for insurmountable amount of power a cop has. US police is basically a military, and should be treated as such.
- verdenti 4y ago
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- bittercynic 4y ago
  Replying to the dead comment below "They’re low skill jobs..." Being a /good/ cop requires very high skills, and it's an unavoidably political job, so I think a union is going to be an essential part of it. I agree that the current situation in much of the USA is really bad, though.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    It’s funny because this unionized force is also one of the main anti union forces in the country. It’s why generally on the left, cops are not considered “valid jobs” to be protected by a union. It’s a state sanctioned violence force.
  - akira2501 4y ago
    Unions are basically a compromise between a monopolized labor force and the monopolizer. Given that the administration employs the officers, the union is usually seen as unavoidable; however, you have to wonder if the solution might be to go the other way. You might sever the connection between the police force and the administration and reduce the size of departments down to the level of details and make them all much more directly accountable to the judiciary and the population they police. In larger areas the details can offer support and oversight in a way they are currently unable to. There are tons of things a prevalent and inexpensive internet connectivity was supposed to drastically improve. This should be one of them, to remove the need for severe top down military style policing that intersects with administrative politics.
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nigamanth 4y ago
Damn, this is so sad. Just when we think we have developed. Also I just remembered memories of listening to Because I Got High on the radio.
prescriptivist 4y ago
Watching this video is a reminder that if we could just enforce a minimum level of cardiovascular health via something like a three mile run time limitation or something like that the police force would naturally weed out people with poor impulse control and probably be overall a more humane and decent force.
- wl 4y ago
  There's already a problem with roided-out cops, who aren't going to have any problems passing your hypothetical three mile run test. You're probably thinking in particular about the fat guy by the cake, but I've met guys of similar build in the cycling community who have no problem riding a imperial century in six and a half hours.
  - prescriptivist 4y ago
    Dudes on a cycle with big red swollen faces and gynecomastia aren't going to run 8 minute miles. HGH maybe but that's a different class of PED for different reasons.
    - humanizersequel 4y ago
      This is an extremely naive understanding of how anabolic steroids work. Side effects such as the two you've listed here — respectively: upregulation of the RAAS pathway causing increased blood pressure and sodium retention, and a failure to include an aromatase inhibitor to prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogens — are relatively rare, especially to a degree where they'd be highly visible. Also, an 8 minute mile is not a particularly high bar to clear and with the increased work capacity granted by basically every single popular steroid (funnily enough, HGH would probably not confer immediate/direct benefits in this scenario in the same way that less exotic PEDs could) it would be trivial for most users to do with little to no preparation.
    - wl 4y ago
      Sorry for being unclear: the roided up and jacked cops are one problem. The overweight ones are another. The former are more likely to have problematic attitudes (specifically: roid rage) than the latter, which your proposed physical fitness test would not catch. And I'm noting that you might be surprised about the level of aerobic fitness in some fat people (the latter).
FpUser 4y ago
OMG. This man must be treated as a national treasure.
etc-hosts 4y ago
Someone called up Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers and asked him what happened to the kidnapping victim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yq--7qKwLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yq--7qKwLk
etc-hosts 4y ago
Afroman Raid warrant https://imgur.com/a/t7PkJJo https://imgur.com/a/t7PkJJo
perceptronas 4y ago
The author seems to admit that narcotics on warrant were justified (or at least logical). I am not sure what his expectation is. Aren't you risking years of jail because of that alone? Seems wildly irresponsible if he has family and kids. On the other hand, I don't know the full situation and trying to infer information from this submitted video.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  I can't believe I'm pointing this out on HN of all places, but if making a song about weed gets your house raided and is considered probable cause, then the government is infringing your first amendment rights.
  - perceptronas 4y ago
    Warrant picture shows 'trafficking in drugs', not making a song about weed. I am not sure about full context.
    - sdenton4 4y ago
      Don't forget the kidnapping!
    - joenot443 4y ago
      I’m not sure if you’ve had much experience with American police, but having an accusation written on a warrant is rarely proof a crime actually occurred.
      - roflyear 4y ago
        It's definitely a deterrent to saying certain things.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    If you confess to a murder, the fact that your confession was protected First Amendment speech doesn't mean you shouldn't be convicted of murder. What's the difference between that and your example?
concordDance 4y ago
The transition of hackernews to reddit accelerates it seems.
xchip 4y ago
Well, he was interviewed by the YouTube channel Vice and there he was showing off loads of marijuana at his place. So the police got a warrant and stormed the place.
- joenot443 4y ago
  Wouldn’t one expect they’d lay charges then?
- falconinthesun 4y ago
  And the kidnapping charge?
hnarn 4y ago
I can recommend the article “How US police training compares with the rest of the world” by the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733

290 points by etc-hosts 4y ago

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The song from his previous music video about the raid is much catcher IMO (https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU https://youtu.be/ISe3IVBBbyU). Also, going through his channel it's crazy to see how prolific he's been. More on topic, the raid seems like a total miscarriage of justice- these sheriffs rolled up in camo and busted in like they were storming bin Laden's compound. All that work to confiscate 2 joints (its actually kinda funny, I would've assumed Afroman would have a lot more... Although he does have a song about how he only needs 2 zigzags) They aso tried to civil forfeiture $5k in cash but ended up giving it back. Afroman did a whole thing with the local news where he went to the sheriff to pick up the money, and they filmed him opening the evidence bags. The count cMe up short. $400 went missing while the money was in the evidence locker, whoops.

etc-hosts 4y ago
I posted this one because it's a tiny bit more family friendly than the one you mentioned. This scandal makes me think the Constitutional Sheriff movement might be very bad. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/2587-constitutional-sheriffs-and-peace-officers-association https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/2587-constitution...
- JoeyBananas 4y ago
  What is the connection between this incident and the Constitutional Sheriff movement?
  - etc-hosts 4y ago
    no direct connection I think the Constitutional Sheriff movement and idolization of local sheriffs is troubling.
    - Phiwise_ 4y ago
      >The connection is I wish there was one Okay lol.
- losteric 4y ago
  For those new to the term "Constitutional Sheriff" > The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) is a political organization of local police officials in the United States who contend that federal and state government authorities are subordinate to the local authority of county sheriffs. Self-described constitutional sheriffs assert that they are the supreme legal authority with the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional. As a result, they may sometimes be referred to as sovereign sheriffs. via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Pe... Terrifying.
  - trilbyglens 4y ago
    Time to get that EU passport kids.
    - InCityDreams 4y ago
      Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  Very few sheriffs had the guts to publicly state they would not enforce unconstitutional covid mandates. They were unconstitutional. That has been proven. It was illegal for officers of the law to enforce them. I don't think the primary law enforcement problem in the US is Sheriffs. Say what you will about police. These are not the same organizations.
  - etc-hosts 4y ago
    Are you talking about mask mandates or vaccine mandates?
    - upsidesinclude 4y ago
      Executive orders issued by the Biden administration https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/90658/supreme-court-rules-biden-vaccine-mandate-for-businesses-is-unconstitutional https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/90658/supreme-court-rules-...
      - armada651 4y ago
        The OHSA mandate never went into effect as far as I know. Besides even if it did go into effect it wouldn't be something a sheriff would enforce, as it is up to OHSA to enforce its mandates.
        upsidesinclude 4y ago
        The administration used news outlets to pump the mandate and companies preemptively executed the order. OSHA does not yet have any policing powers, this was an attempt to generate them.
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        roflyear 4y ago
        So what does this have to do with your original claim of police enforcing unconstitutional mandates? Nothing? I'm losing the thread here...
britneybitch 4y ago
I watched that video when this was going around on reddit recently. That "white supremacists on my premises" hook is one of the slickest rhymes I've heard in a while.
- th3b0x 4y ago
  He predicted my own interpretation of what I saw.
fckgnad 4y ago
I like this one better because it cracks me up more then the other music video. Let me ask you something officer, any kidnapping victims inside my suite pockets?

mkmk 4y ago

What is the safest (from a privacy perspective) and easiest way to set up in-home cameras?

0ct4via 4y ago
Safest != easiest, you can't necessarily have both, at least not without decent expense. "Safety" from a "privacy perspective" depends on your threat model, and how you feel about cloud storage. There are obviously options which don't use the cloud, which can range from cameras storing on local microSD cards, to cameras that feed to a local Linux box running ZoneMinder. The "easiest" way would be the "camera with microSD storage" option, with options ranging from the likes of Dufy and Waze, to Reolink and others. Aside from running your own "NVR" type box locally (or remotely/colo), if you're not happy with cloud providings from the likes of Eufy, Ring (owned by Amazon), or Nest (owned by Alphabet), a number of cameras support Apple's HomeKit Secure Video (HKSV) -- which just pushes video through an Apple HomeKit hub (Apple TV, HomePod, etc.) rather than a third party cloud provider. Your privacy goals may differ from others -- whether it depends on who the cloud storage is with, or no cloud storage at all, whether you want wireless or hard-wired cameras, and whether you're concerned about any local storage potentially being removed from the property. You'd need to give more information on what you're looking for, for folk to advise -- alternatively, there are more than enough sites and blogs with comparisons and write-ups of home surveillance offerings.
defrost 4y ago
In the context of a raid such as this ... you'd want, at least, visible hard wired camera's (not WiFi - jamming) going to a NAS box (for storage) with a distinct colour network cable from that NAS apparently direct to the main router .. The cunning part is to have additional hidden cameras hard wired within the studs going to a second well hidden NAS box that takes the direct mirror feed from the first NAS box via a hidden diversion of the seemingly direct cable. The intent is to have sacrifical cameras and sacrifical storage .. along with additional cameras and mirrored sacrifical camera + additional storage .. and then optional encrypted offsite backup. Cables Vs WiFi is interesting - cables can be traced, but they are harder to remotely tap or jam.

etc-hosts 4y ago

Looks like you need to have a hidden camera system monitoring your camera system.

smcl 4y ago
Yeah I wonder on what grounds the police can start unplugging shit in your house. This also happened in the Adrian Schoolcraft case - when the police burst into his house to take him in he was recording audio on one device which they found, unplugged and destroyed ... but they failed to find the second device (which is how we know). It's kinda wild how if the police might have a grudge against you, you'll have to setup multiple recording devices in case they break in and do some illegal shit. There's a reason there's a song called "Fuck the police" and none called "Fuck the ambulance service" or "Fuck the firemen"
- brianzelip 4y ago
  See Public Enemy, '911 is a Joke', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDIitWz8Go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDIitWz8Go
  - pocketsand 4y ago
    A song that laments how 911 ignores poor/black neighborhoods embodies a different sentiment than "fuck the police."
  - smcl 4y ago
    I can see where you're going but I don't think these are the same. So on the one hand we have a song that describes how the police systematically target and brutalise black people in the USA and lays out the hatred and distrust the community feels towards them as a result. And on the other we have a song that says emergency services ignore black people due to the same systemic racism. I mean I'm editorialising a little, but while both suggest that black people are getting a pretty rotten deal decades after people usually thing the struggle for civil rights for black people were fought and ultimately won ... one indicates real, visceral hatred towards a single institution which has famously and repeatedly been confirmed to be well deserved (and additionally as a phrase or slogan is itself very well known around the anglophone world). The other does neither.

kuhewa 4y ago

Back story https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83gq/afroman-raided-by-cops-interview https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83gq/afroman-raided-by-cop...

etc-hosts 4y ago
When asked for comment, Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers said the result of a neighboring sheriff’s office investigation into Afroman’s claim is imminent. He also that the attention the rapper’s songs have generated has turned into a wave of threats against his deputies. “I can handle it, but I don’t appreciate some of the messages coming in about Adams County deputies getting ambushed, ‘I hope they die slow,’” Rogers said. “It’s kind of tolling on some of the officers. I doubt that your family would want that said about you.” The Adams County sheriff presumably knew Mr Afroman has at least 2 kids, a son and a daughter, but they broke into his house wielding long guns, pistols, and a riot shield anyway. I like the part where a deputy is poking around behind the couch with his gun.
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  “We can break in to your house with guns, but don’t say mean things about us.” is about what I would expect from US cops.
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- reset-password 4y ago
  Consequences. Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers is looking for the word 'consequences'.

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago

This isn't the first time he's been robbed by police https://thebigfootdiaries.blogspot.com/2015/02/afroman-puts-out-statement-says-hes.html?m=1 https://thebigfootdiaries.blogspot.com/2015/02/afroman-puts-...

smcl 4y ago

The image of the kids drawings next to the door being broken in is quite shocking. This undoubtedly happens to people who don't have the means or the reach to record and put a video out for millions to see. What's a shame is that if Afroman is ultimately successful in getting compensated for what appears to be a pretty meaningless raid, it won't come from the police but from "low hanging fruit" like local libraries or similar :(

abetusk 4y ago

Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear and sporting an assault rifle during the raid? Do police departments outsource some of their work to third party contractors for raids like this? Is this person part of some local militia? Shot of the person I'm talking about at 2m11s [0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oponIfu5L3Y&t=131s

meltyness 4y ago
Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Afroman has good taste though, those HS-5s sound beautiful, surprised he didn't spring for the 8inch subs though. Guess it's simple if you're not mastering jungle.
- throw0101c 4y ago
  >> Can someone tell me about the person dressed in full camo gear […] > Presumably SWAT captain, for dealing with the possible threat of well-armed cartel dens. Was the operational target a structure in a wooded area where this individual needed to sneak up on without visual detection? Is that the reason for the foliage-coloured camo? Because it does not look like the operation involved sneaking around a wooded area to me.
  - flandish 4y ago
    Correct to question it. The reason is simple: Police units cosplay as military units. (going so far as to call themselves “paramilitary.”) Couple that desire to cosplay with a large funnel of tax dollars going to purchase military purpose weapons for potential use on domestic civilians and we have a resultant system no different than high-school aged kids wanting to prep for airsoft. Except it is different. They have the ability (and sometimes even the express desire to) escalate and potentially kill other people. Outside of the due process that is the law they swear to uphold when sworn in to service.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    Look up some photos of police during the Ferguson protests. In US, SWAT loves camouflage and, more broadly, anything that makes them look "operator". It has done a full circle now where companies that design camo patterns make ones specifically for police, such that they don't have any actual camouflaging purposes, but still look like camo (and not just boring plain blue or whatever). The language used by the manufacturers to describe them is very telling, e.g.: "The MultiCam Black™ pattern was developed to meet the unique requirements of law enforcement officers operating in high-risk environments. It projects a distinctly authoritative presence appropriate for domestic operations. MultiCam Black™ is designed to complement an officer’s existing equipment and present a sharp, professional image for top-tier law enforcement units." (here's how this "authoritative presence" actually looks: https://i.imgur.com/TqyzNJp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TqyzNJp.jpg) Or here's another one: "Ghost was derived from both A-TACS iX and LE-X. Ghost is designed and a tactical option for Military, Government and Law Enforcement Urban Operations. Ghost combined eleven variable shades of neutral grey that not only gives it and aggressive look, but it is also very effective in urban settings." (https://i.imgur.com/jteSPvH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jteSPvH.jpg)

s5300 4y ago

Finding out Afroman is raising his family in one of the most impoverished parts of Southern Ohio was strange. I wonder if he doesn’t have much $ in the form of royalties flowing in.

silisili 4y ago
He had one rather silly hit that became popular, then overplayed and annoying soon after. He's done some other ventures, small concerts, etc since, but I don't imagine he has a fortune. If he was able to buy a nice place and retire, I'd say he's financially smarter than 99% of celebrities.
- marklyon 4y ago
  His wife is from there. Maybe it's nicer than Hattiesburg.
  - etc-hosts 4y ago
    Being nicer than Hattiesburg is very easy!
- pocketsand 4y ago
  Because I got high made a ton of money, and he would have made a lot more if 9/11 didn't happen. There's a nice documentary on him and that song. Seems like a genuine guy.
  - bdowling 4y ago
    But did it make a ton of money for him? The music industry isn't exactly known for putting artists first (i.e., musicians often don't make anything until all the expenses, advertising, promotion, payola, etc. are paid).
agentwiggles 4y ago
I was also surprised by this aspect of things. A quick Google at one of those net worth estimation sites pegged him at a net worth of about a million, which isn't exactly going to buy a mansion in Beverly Hills (or even Columbus). More than me, though, and the guy seems to be having fun. I followed the link in the video to his Twitter page thinking it might have more information on the raid... Instead, it's almost exclusively videos of him signing the boobs of his fans. Gave me a good chuckle.

justahuman74 4y ago

It's wild that the cops aren't held liable for this

just_steve_h 4y ago
Read up on “qualified immunity.” My only slightly exaggerated take is that police on duty can do whatever they want to whomever they want - up to and including killing someone - and not be held liable.
- avmich 4y ago
  From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity : In the United States, qualified immunity is a legal principle that grants government officials performing discretionary (optional) functions immunity from civil suits unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known".[1] I'm sure killing people violates clearly established constitutional rights, so the concept looks puzzling.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    Well, that's why cops carry a drop knife or throwdown pistol, to plant on somebody they wrongly kill in the line of duty. Dave Chappelle's "Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get out of here" wasn't just fanciful comedy.
  - tbrownaw 4y ago
    "clearly established" doesn't mean what a sane adult would think it means. A web search should turn up plenty of blogs by lawyers ranting helplessly about whatever the latest absurdity was.
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anigbrowl 4y ago
Sometimes they are but then very serious people say it's a tragedy.

yakkityyak 4y ago

I’m telling you, the only way out of this mess is to eliminate qualified immunity, and becoming a cop should entail forfeiting many civil rights in exchange for insurmountable amount of power a cop has. US police is basically a military, and should be treated as such.

verdenti 4y ago
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bittercynic 4y ago
Replying to the dead comment below "They’re low skill jobs..." Being a /good/ cop requires very high skills, and it's an unavoidably political job, so I think a union is going to be an essential part of it. I agree that the current situation in much of the USA is really bad, though.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  It’s funny because this unionized force is also one of the main anti union forces in the country. It’s why generally on the left, cops are not considered “valid jobs” to be protected by a union. It’s a state sanctioned violence force.
- akira2501 4y ago
  Unions are basically a compromise between a monopolized labor force and the monopolizer. Given that the administration employs the officers, the union is usually seen as unavoidable; however, you have to wonder if the solution might be to go the other way. You might sever the connection between the police force and the administration and reduce the size of departments down to the level of details and make them all much more directly accountable to the judiciary and the population they police. In larger areas the details can offer support and oversight in a way they are currently unable to. There are tons of things a prevalent and inexpensive internet connectivity was supposed to drastically improve. This should be one of them, to remove the need for severe top down military style policing that intersects with administrative politics.
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nigamanth 4y ago

Damn, this is so sad. Just when we think we have developed. Also I just remembered memories of listening to Because I Got High on the radio.

prescriptivist 4y ago

Watching this video is a reminder that if we could just enforce a minimum level of cardiovascular health via something like a three mile run time limitation or something like that the police force would naturally weed out people with poor impulse control and probably be overall a more humane and decent force.

wl 4y ago
There's already a problem with roided-out cops, who aren't going to have any problems passing your hypothetical three mile run test. You're probably thinking in particular about the fat guy by the cake, but I've met guys of similar build in the cycling community who have no problem riding a imperial century in six and a half hours.
- prescriptivist 4y ago
  Dudes on a cycle with big red swollen faces and gynecomastia aren't going to run 8 minute miles. HGH maybe but that's a different class of PED for different reasons.
  - humanizersequel 4y ago
    This is an extremely naive understanding of how anabolic steroids work. Side effects such as the two you've listed here — respectively: upregulation of the RAAS pathway causing increased blood pressure and sodium retention, and a failure to include an aromatase inhibitor to prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogens — are relatively rare, especially to a degree where they'd be highly visible. Also, an 8 minute mile is not a particularly high bar to clear and with the increased work capacity granted by basically every single popular steroid (funnily enough, HGH would probably not confer immediate/direct benefits in this scenario in the same way that less exotic PEDs could) it would be trivial for most users to do with little to no preparation.
  - wl 4y ago
    Sorry for being unclear: the roided up and jacked cops are one problem. The overweight ones are another. The former are more likely to have problematic attitudes (specifically: roid rage) than the latter, which your proposed physical fitness test would not catch. And I'm noting that you might be surprised about the level of aerobic fitness in some fat people (the latter).

FpUser 4y ago

OMG. This man must be treated as a national treasure.

etc-hosts 4y ago

Someone called up Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers and asked him what happened to the kidnapping victim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yq--7qKwLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yq--7qKwLk

etc-hosts 4y ago

Afroman Raid warrant https://imgur.com/a/t7PkJJo https://imgur.com/a/t7PkJJo

perceptronas 4y ago

The author seems to admit that narcotics on warrant were justified (or at least logical). I am not sure what his expectation is. Aren't you risking years of jail because of that alone? Seems wildly irresponsible if he has family and kids. On the other hand, I don't know the full situation and trying to infer information from this submitted video.

whatshisface 4y ago
I can't believe I'm pointing this out on HN of all places, but if making a song about weed gets your house raided and is considered probable cause, then the government is infringing your first amendment rights.
- perceptronas 4y ago
  Warrant picture shows 'trafficking in drugs', not making a song about weed. I am not sure about full context.
  - sdenton4 4y ago
    Don't forget the kidnapping!
  - joenot443 4y ago
    I’m not sure if you’ve had much experience with American police, but having an accusation written on a warrant is rarely proof a crime actually occurred.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      It's definitely a deterrent to saying certain things.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  If you confess to a murder, the fact that your confession was protected First Amendment speech doesn't mean you shouldn't be convicted of murder. What's the difference between that and your example?

concordDance 4y ago

The transition of hackernews to reddit accelerates it seems.

xchip 4y ago

Well, he was interviewed by the YouTube channel Vice and there he was showing off loads of marijuana at his place. So the police got a warrant and stormed the place.

joenot443 4y ago
Wouldn’t one expect they’d lay charges then?
falconinthesun 4y ago
And the kidnapping charge?

hnarn 4y ago

I can recommend the article “How US police training compares with the rest of the world” by the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733