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> Cameras don’t know what time of day it is On the other hand the iphone knows what time it is, your location, the location of the moon, the weather - it could

by e12e 4y ago

> Cameras don’t know what time of day it is On the other hand the iphone knows what time it is, your location, the location of the moon, the weather - it could probably guess if you're outside or inside - so it seems like a bit of a waste it can't do a better job at anticipating the scene...

astrange 4y ago
Indeed that's true. But since people already complain that it does too much post processing, it seems like a dangerous road to try and do even more of it. Cameras do know if you're inside or outside though - at least, they know if you're shooting a landscape and if the scene is lit by natural or artificial light. That matters for boring but important things like auto white balance / auto ISO / if it should focus to infinity.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  But since people already complain that it does too much post processing, it seems like a dangerous road to try and do even more of it. As long as you let me turn it off, hey, party on, knock yourself out with postprocessing hackery. The first part -- the easy part -- is the problem Apple can't seem to manage.
  - foldr 4y ago
    You can turn night mode off by tapping the icon in the top left.
    - astrange 4y ago
      Can't turn off deep fusion though. Well, you can - record a video instead and press the button that takes a photo during video. It looks terrible, so it's better to switch to a 3rd party camera app instead. I think the main use case for those is women using beauty filters though.
      - foldr 4y ago
        You can get real single shot RAW files very easily using third party apps like Halide. I usually prefer the results of ProRAW, though (which doesn’t include beauty filters or anything like that).
        CamperBob2 4y ago
        I don't know about "very easily," and chances are I don't want to deal with RAW or ProRAW or whatever. I'm fine with plain old .JPG most of the time. But selectively altering the appearance of subjects in an unavoidable manner is beyond the line that almost any photographer I've ever known will draw. If I can't turn that off, then the OEM camera app is simply broken. Telling me to spend money on a third-party app is just carrying water for two corporations that aren't paying you. Don't do that, at least not for free.
        foldr 4y ago
        >I don't know about "very easily," Halide is perfectly straightforward to use. > I'm fine with plain old .JPG most of the time. Halide can save JPGs if that's what you prefer. >Telling me to spend money on a third-party app is just carrying water for two corporations that aren't paying you The built in camera app has to cater to a lot of different kinds of user. I, like you, would be happy if it offered more controls, but this might make it less usable for the majority. The cost of one of these third party apps is pretty trivial compared to the cost of a new iPhone (or a 'real' camera), so it doesn't bother me overly – but you can obviously spend your money how you wish.

by e12e 4y ago

astrange 4y ago

Indeed that's true. But since people already complain that it does too much post processing, it seems like a dangerous road to try and do even more of it. Cameras do know if you're inside or outside though - at least, they know if you're shooting a landscape and if the scene is lit by natural or artificial light. That matters for boring but important things like auto white balance / auto ISO / if it should focus to infinity.

CamperBob2 4y ago
But since people already complain that it does too much post processing, it seems like a dangerous road to try and do even more of it. As long as you let me turn it off, hey, party on, knock yourself out with postprocessing hackery. The first part -- the easy part -- is the problem Apple can't seem to manage.
- foldr 4y ago
  You can turn night mode off by tapping the icon in the top left.
  - astrange 4y ago
    Can't turn off deep fusion though. Well, you can - record a video instead and press the button that takes a photo during video. It looks terrible, so it's better to switch to a 3rd party camera app instead. I think the main use case for those is women using beauty filters though.
    - foldr 4y ago
      You can get real single shot RAW files very easily using third party apps like Halide. I usually prefer the results of ProRAW, though (which doesn’t include beauty filters or anything like that).
      - CamperBob2 4y ago
        I don't know about "very easily," and chances are I don't want to deal with RAW or ProRAW or whatever. I'm fine with plain old .JPG most of the time. But selectively altering the appearance of subjects in an unavoidable manner is beyond the line that almost any photographer I've ever known will draw. If I can't turn that off, then the OEM camera app is simply broken. Telling me to spend money on a third-party app is just carrying water for two corporations that aren't paying you. Don't do that, at least not for free.
        foldr 4y ago
        >I don't know about "very easily," Halide is perfectly straightforward to use. > I'm fine with plain old .JPG most of the time. Halide can save JPGs if that's what you prefer. >Telling me to spend money on a third-party app is just carrying water for two corporations that aren't paying you The built in camera app has to cater to a lot of different kinds of user. I, like you, would be happy if it offered more controls, but this might make it less usable for the majority. The cost of one of these third party apps is pretty trivial compared to the cost of a new iPhone (or a 'real' camera), so it doesn't bother me overly – but you can obviously spend your money how you wish.