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I don't know why you are getting down voted, the author of this blog is clearly making an ideological statement when he claims Yimbys are values driven vs Nimby

I don't know why you are getting down voted, the author of this blog is clearly making an ideological statement when he claims Yimbys are values driven vs Nimbys who are driven by self interest. In my experience the Yimbys are the ones who are aware of the economics and the Nimbys are the ones driven by the value of nostalgia. (PS: Nimby are almost always older in California) The other unspoken value of nimbys is racism-- that's a value, not a calculation of self interest. Property prices always go up as density increases. Density does change the nature of these neighborhood but in every case the nature has been changing for decades and the neighborhoods are nothing like they were fifty years ago-- objectively change is inevitable.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
> The other unspoken value of nimbys is racism-- that's a value, not a calculation of self interest. This is a shocking claim, and I consider myself a strong YIMBY type. I worry that you are ascribing the worst possible reason to an observation of others that hold opinions or behave different from yourself. “It’s hard to tell when you’re being discriminated against.” —IASIP
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  It's a strong claim, I don't see how it could be shocking unless you're unaware of the recent history of housing policy and urban-suburban dynamics in the US. Or think that, uniquely among all things in history, that ended at a specific recent time with no consequences carried forward into the present. The civil rights era is in living memory, people who were children for white flight are retirees and homeowners now. They're not all or even largely racist or strictly motivated by racism, but some of them are, somewhat. No one identifies as a racist and if asked could probably find marginally acceptable euphemisms for who they do and don't want in their neighborhoods and why. But come on.
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- arrosenberg 4y ago
  It's only hard now because we've spent 100 years fighting discrimination. Back in the 1920s land deeds would have restrictive covenants on them that explicitly spelled out that only white Christians could buy that land.
dash2 4y ago
I think you are confusing “being aware of economics” with being driven by self-interest. As I understand it, most B&Bs are not campaigning for more housebuilding because it benefits them personally, but because they believe it is right. That is compatible with them having a good understanding of the economics. Note that understanding trade-offs and relative costs is not the same as being affected by trade-offs and relative costs.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago

> The other unspoken value of nimbys is racism-- that's a value, not a calculation of self interest. This is a shocking claim, and I consider myself a strong YIMBY type. I worry that you are ascribing the worst possible reason to an observation of others that hold opinions or behave different from yourself. “It’s hard to tell when you’re being discriminated against.” —IASIP

giraffe_lady 4y ago
It's a strong claim, I don't see how it could be shocking unless you're unaware of the recent history of housing policy and urban-suburban dynamics in the US. Or think that, uniquely among all things in history, that ended at a specific recent time with no consequences carried forward into the present. The civil rights era is in living memory, people who were children for white flight are retirees and homeowners now. They're not all or even largely racist or strictly motivated by racism, but some of them are, somewhat. No one identifies as a racist and if asked could probably find marginally acceptable euphemisms for who they do and don't want in their neighborhoods and why. But come on.
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arrosenberg 4y ago
It's only hard now because we've spent 100 years fighting discrimination. Back in the 1920s land deeds would have restrictive covenants on them that explicitly spelled out that only white Christians could buy that land.

dash2 4y ago

I think you are confusing “being aware of economics” with being driven by self-interest. As I understand it, most B&Bs are not campaigning for more housebuilding because it benefits them personally, but because they believe it is right. That is compatible with them having a good understanding of the economics. Note that understanding trade-offs and relative costs is not the same as being affected by trade-offs and relative costs.