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All vaccines have small risks. I’ve had family members get lifelong painful complications from I think two different vaccines, neither related to the recent on

All vaccines have small risks. I’ve had family members get lifelong painful complications from I think two different vaccines, neither related to the recent ones. So it makes me a little hesitant when I know that I’ll survive the flu like I have many times before.

namdnay 4y ago
That’s the thing isn’t it? Is the risk of the vaccine higher than the risk of a future flu? I strongly suspect it isn’t
- watwut 4y ago
  In my case, I had actual flue exactly once in my life. It was super unpleasant, but no big deal and ended in exactly one week. I got flu shot three times and got sick with (not flu ordinary sickness) right after three times and it took two weeks to feel good after. I guess the issue is that I am rarely entirely healthy during cold season and flu shot pushes me over the line. Not really work it. I would take it if I had reason to - like a relative with super weak immune system or had to go to hospital whatever. But other then that, it is not worth it.
- toast0 4y ago
  At least for me, the first several times I got the flu shot, I had a fairly strong immune response; this is probably good, but still two to three days of disruption. The last couple shots haven't been so bad (or I also had a covid shot at the same time, so who knows). But after the first two flu shots it was: known couple of days feeling sick plus very low chance of major complication vs unlikely several days of feeling sick plys low chance of major complication ... and there's a decent chance of getting the shot, feeling sick, and then getting the flu and feeling sick again. Now that I've gotten the shot enough times that I don't have a strong response, it's easier to just get it. The very low chance of major complications with no family history of such isn't enough for me to worry about. But the US has different policies on this intervention than other countries, so reasonable people can differ, I guess.
olddustytrail 4y ago
All flu have big risks. What makes you think you'll survive the next one?
- ithkuil 4y ago
  Because he survived the past ones and because of a anecdote of close person showcasing a vaccine risk materializing. Humans are not well equiped with intuition about objrctive risk assesment
  - ThunderSizzle 4y ago
    What is objective in this case? The CDC records the statistics for adverse affects, vaccine effectiveness, etc., but they also have a financial and political incentive for these stats to look good. If you use their numbers for objectivity, it's already inherently subjective based on the way they record metrics, and the metrics they focused on. I saw this very plainly with Covid case metrics.
    - azinman2 4y ago
      What makes you say they have financial and political incentives? They get funded whether you get the flu or not, so that seems very hard to believe. They also aren’t tied to a standing in their ability to prevent the flu, so what would be the political risk? And that’s even assuming the scientists behind it could be swayed by politics in reporting of stats. Big claims require big evidence.
      - politician 4y ago
        I'm not advocating for either position in this thread, but surely you watched the CDC switch from one policy position to another dramatically different position multiple times during 2021. They made decisions and rewrote those decisions within 24 hours due to political blowback not just once, but multiple times. They might do good science, but they lost any trust I had in their ability to set and execute a coherent national policy.
nabakin 4y ago
A friend's sense of taste has been permanently changed/damaged after he was hit with the full force of covid and he's young. It's not worth it.
- grugagag 4y ago
  Wow, is it really permanent? I thought most people get it back eventually. I lost and recovered mine after covid
  - scotty79 4y ago
    Hard to tell if something is permanent. But the fact remains that some people didn't get their senses back yet despite getting first infected with covid years ago.
    - grugagag 4y ago
      I wasn’t aware it’s long lasting to permanent. That’s an awful way to go through life without smell or taste
  - jeromegv 4y ago
    My cousin got Covid before the vaccine was available. She has lost sense of taste since then. Everything tastes like metal. She’s now lost so much weight and missing lots of nutriments because it’s just really hard for her to eat when everything tastes awful.
    - nabakin 4y ago
      Yeah that's exactly the situation with my friend too
  - nabakin 4y ago
    As of a month ago, my friend's taste hasn't recovered yet or started to and he got covid in 2020
adastra22 4y ago
You will survive the flu until you don’t. In my early 30’s I got deathly ill from the flu. Not an expression: I was delirious with a 104 fever for 4 days that would not go down even with medication, and probably should have been hospitalized. I’m lucky there was no long term effects. I always get my flu shot now.
- grugagag 4y ago
  I got the flu shot after which, about a month later, I got a bad case of flu with symptoms similar to what you described above. Flu shots may help but they may also not…
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. There’s also the chance that you got a variant of that wasn’t protected, hence the value of this work.
    - moonchrome 4y ago
      > Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. This is nonsense - like you said in the second part - flu shots work on select strains - he could have a different one at which point the shot was useless. This argument (and similar) really sound like religious beliefs ("believe science"). From what I've seen - if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting.
      - consp 4y ago
        > if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting. There are plenty of people for whom is VERY MUCH worth getting in those age categories. Don't generalize with health.
        moonchrome 4y ago
        True, should have said healthy in that age group.

namdnay 4y ago

That’s the thing isn’t it? Is the risk of the vaccine higher than the risk of a future flu? I strongly suspect it isn’t

watwut 4y ago
In my case, I had actual flue exactly once in my life. It was super unpleasant, but no big deal and ended in exactly one week. I got flu shot three times and got sick with (not flu ordinary sickness) right after three times and it took two weeks to feel good after. I guess the issue is that I am rarely entirely healthy during cold season and flu shot pushes me over the line. Not really work it. I would take it if I had reason to - like a relative with super weak immune system or had to go to hospital whatever. But other then that, it is not worth it.
toast0 4y ago
At least for me, the first several times I got the flu shot, I had a fairly strong immune response; this is probably good, but still two to three days of disruption. The last couple shots haven't been so bad (or I also had a covid shot at the same time, so who knows). But after the first two flu shots it was: known couple of days feeling sick plus very low chance of major complication vs unlikely several days of feeling sick plys low chance of major complication ... and there's a decent chance of getting the shot, feeling sick, and then getting the flu and feeling sick again. Now that I've gotten the shot enough times that I don't have a strong response, it's easier to just get it. The very low chance of major complications with no family history of such isn't enough for me to worry about. But the US has different policies on this intervention than other countries, so reasonable people can differ, I guess.

olddustytrail 4y ago

All flu have big risks. What makes you think you'll survive the next one?

ithkuil 4y ago
Because he survived the past ones and because of a anecdote of close person showcasing a vaccine risk materializing. Humans are not well equiped with intuition about objrctive risk assesment
- ThunderSizzle 4y ago
  What is objective in this case? The CDC records the statistics for adverse affects, vaccine effectiveness, etc., but they also have a financial and political incentive for these stats to look good. If you use their numbers for objectivity, it's already inherently subjective based on the way they record metrics, and the metrics they focused on. I saw this very plainly with Covid case metrics.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    What makes you say they have financial and political incentives? They get funded whether you get the flu or not, so that seems very hard to believe. They also aren’t tied to a standing in their ability to prevent the flu, so what would be the political risk? And that’s even assuming the scientists behind it could be swayed by politics in reporting of stats. Big claims require big evidence.
    - politician 4y ago
      I'm not advocating for either position in this thread, but surely you watched the CDC switch from one policy position to another dramatically different position multiple times during 2021. They made decisions and rewrote those decisions within 24 hours due to political blowback not just once, but multiple times. They might do good science, but they lost any trust I had in their ability to set and execute a coherent national policy.

nabakin 4y ago

A friend's sense of taste has been permanently changed/damaged after he was hit with the full force of covid and he's young. It's not worth it.

grugagag 4y ago
Wow, is it really permanent? I thought most people get it back eventually. I lost and recovered mine after covid
- scotty79 4y ago
  Hard to tell if something is permanent. But the fact remains that some people didn't get their senses back yet despite getting first infected with covid years ago.
  - grugagag 4y ago
    I wasn’t aware it’s long lasting to permanent. That’s an awful way to go through life without smell or taste
- jeromegv 4y ago
  My cousin got Covid before the vaccine was available. She has lost sense of taste since then. Everything tastes like metal. She’s now lost so much weight and missing lots of nutriments because it’s just really hard for her to eat when everything tastes awful.
  - nabakin 4y ago
    Yeah that's exactly the situation with my friend too
- nabakin 4y ago
  As of a month ago, my friend's taste hasn't recovered yet or started to and he got covid in 2020

adastra22 4y ago

You will survive the flu until you don’t. In my early 30’s I got deathly ill from the flu. Not an expression: I was delirious with a 104 fever for 4 days that would not go down even with medication, and probably should have been hospitalized. I’m lucky there was no long term effects. I always get my flu shot now.

grugagag 4y ago
I got the flu shot after which, about a month later, I got a bad case of flu with symptoms similar to what you described above. Flu shots may help but they may also not…
- azinman2 4y ago
  Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. There’s also the chance that you got a variant of that wasn’t protected, hence the value of this work.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    > Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. This is nonsense - like you said in the second part - flu shots work on select strains - he could have a different one at which point the shot was useless. This argument (and similar) really sound like religious beliefs ("believe science"). From what I've seen - if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting.
    - consp 4y ago
      > if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting. There are plenty of people for whom is VERY MUCH worth getting in those age categories. Don't generalize with health.
      - moonchrome 4y ago
        True, should have said healthy in that age group.