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Generally, it only tends to come up in any area where the market seems to be failing consumers. This is interpreted as an externality that the market doesn't ac

by messe 4y ago

Generally, it only tends to come up in any area where the market seems to be failing consumers. This is interpreted as an externality that the market doesn't account for (in this case consumer safety, in the case of USB-C charging e-waste), which regulations are then introduced to correct for.

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>in this case consumer safety Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place, the regulation requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture. >>in the case of USB-C charging e-waste lol, yea that is not the reason for USB-C regulation, nor was that needed at all, and that will handicap either the EU or global innovation. What ever comes next to replace USB-C either now will never be made and will be stuck (I hope not, because USB-C is terrible) or the EU will be left behind has the rest of the world moves on to the better thing
- messe 4y ago
  Amazingly bad takes. > Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place Screens themselves aren't the issue. They didn't mandate touch screens, or the removal of non-touch controls. (EDIT: in fact, the removal of non-touch controls in place of touch controls is a perfect example of the market resulting in a race-to-the-bottom cost-saving measure that you're in denial of in your other comments). > lol, yea that is not the reason for USB-C regulation Care to elaborate on what the reason is then? Because that's the reason I've seen given. > What ever comes next to replace USB-C either now will never be made and will be stuck This is misleading. The law is flexible in that regard, and in fact the commission will be required to regularly amend the law. > or the EU will be left behind has the rest of the world moves on to the better thing Fortunately, the EU market is too big to ignore.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Talk about Amazingly bad takes. >They didn't mandate touch screens ofcourse... they just mandated a large expensive screen that naturally the automakers and consumers would love to have right up front visible to the driver for about 10secs per use of the vehicle and be used for nothing else ever. This is the kind of "forethought" that makes for terrible regulation, and unintended consequences, I bet you would make for a great elected official, ever consider running for office? If you are going to mandate some large and expensive be put in a predominant spot of a product, that thing is going to be used for multiple functions, it is unrealistic, and a denial of reality to expect anything less >>Care to elaborate on what the reason is then? Because that's the reason I've seen given. I am sure that is the stated reason, there is no actual data to back that up since converters to and from the various charging standards are easily available there is no reason to believe that a device having or not having USB-C contributes at all to ewaste. No one is toss out their iPhone because it has a lighting cable, and most are not even tossing the chargers as for less than $5 you can get any adapter to any other port... EU addiction to regulation is a real problem. >>Fortunately, the EU market is too big to ignore. For now, the EU economy has been largely stagnant since about 2008, Though this year seems to have has a bump largely due to inflation which means it is still flat. EU is not really a growth market for any one.
    - twelve40 4y ago
      flat in terms of what? nominal gdp went from 11 tril in 2008 to 14.5 tril in 2021, averaging about 1.66% per year. That's not flat. Are you using some different kind of metric? PS more to the point, the next entity that comes anywhere close to that number is Japan and its several times smaller, so eu will remain relevant for a while even if it completely stops growing.
    - bonzini 4y ago
      > No one is toss out their iPhone because it has a lighting cable, and most are not even tossing the chargers as for less than $5 you can get any adapter to any other port... You must have forgotten the days where all chargers had a molded cable instead of the USB-A socket that is standard these days, and the plug was different for each and every brand. So each phone came with both a custom cable and a custom charger.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  > Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place, the regulation requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture. The ggp post was about EU requirements. A backup camera is not required in the EU, that's a US requirement. EU requires a warning system when going backwards, but that's beeping, not showing a picture (a camera/screen wouldn't satisfy the warning-requirement).
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture Some cars put the picture from the backup camera in the rearview mirror. There was no mandate to use a big tablet size screen anywhere.
- watwut 4y ago
  There is no EU regulation that requires camera. Cars without cameras are easy to buy and usually cheaper then ones with camera.
nonethewiser 4y ago
Failing consumers isnt an externality.

by messe 4y ago

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>in this case consumer safety Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place, the regulation requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture. >>in the case of USB-C charging e-waste lol, yea that is not the reason for USB-C regulation, nor was that needed at all, and that will handicap either the EU or global innovation. What ever comes next to replace USB-C either now will never be made and will be stuck (I hope not, because USB-C is terrible) or the EU will be left behind has the rest of the world moves on to the better thing

messe 4y ago
Amazingly bad takes. > Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place Screens themselves aren't the issue. They didn't mandate touch screens, or the removal of non-touch controls. (EDIT: in fact, the removal of non-touch controls in place of touch controls is a perfect example of the market resulting in a race-to-the-bottom cost-saving measure that you're in denial of in your other comments). > lol, yea that is not the reason for USB-C regulation Care to elaborate on what the reason is then? Because that's the reason I've seen given. > What ever comes next to replace USB-C either now will never be made and will be stuck This is misleading. The law is flexible in that regard, and in fact the commission will be required to regularly amend the law. > or the EU will be left behind has the rest of the world moves on to the better thing Fortunately, the EU market is too big to ignore.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Talk about Amazingly bad takes. >They didn't mandate touch screens ofcourse... they just mandated a large expensive screen that naturally the automakers and consumers would love to have right up front visible to the driver for about 10secs per use of the vehicle and be used for nothing else ever. This is the kind of "forethought" that makes for terrible regulation, and unintended consequences, I bet you would make for a great elected official, ever consider running for office? If you are going to mandate some large and expensive be put in a predominant spot of a product, that thing is going to be used for multiple functions, it is unrealistic, and a denial of reality to expect anything less >>Care to elaborate on what the reason is then? Because that's the reason I've seen given. I am sure that is the stated reason, there is no actual data to back that up since converters to and from the various charging standards are easily available there is no reason to believe that a device having or not having USB-C contributes at all to ewaste. No one is toss out their iPhone because it has a lighting cable, and most are not even tossing the chargers as for less than $5 you can get any adapter to any other port... EU addiction to regulation is a real problem. >>Fortunately, the EU market is too big to ignore. For now, the EU economy has been largely stagnant since about 2008, Though this year seems to have has a bump largely due to inflation which means it is still flat. EU is not really a growth market for any one.
  - twelve40 4y ago
    flat in terms of what? nominal gdp went from 11 tril in 2008 to 14.5 tril in 2021, averaging about 1.66% per year. That's not flat. Are you using some different kind of metric? PS more to the point, the next entity that comes anywhere close to that number is Japan and its several times smaller, so eu will remain relevant for a while even if it completely stops growing.
  - bonzini 4y ago
    > No one is toss out their iPhone because it has a lighting cable, and most are not even tossing the chargers as for less than $5 you can get any adapter to any other port... You must have forgotten the days where all chargers had a molded cable instead of the USB-A socket that is standard these days, and the plug was different for each and every brand. So each phone came with both a custom cable and a custom charger.
someweirdperson 4y ago
> Ironic since safety laws is what put the screens in the cars in the first place, the regulation requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture. The ggp post was about EU requirements. A backup camera is not required in the EU, that's a US requirement. EU requires a warning system when going backwards, but that's beeping, not showing a picture (a camera/screen wouldn't satisfy the warning-requirement).
rootusrootus 4y ago
> requiring backup camera's which required large screen to show the picture Some cars put the picture from the backup camera in the rearview mirror. There was no mandate to use a big tablet size screen anywhere.
watwut 4y ago
There is no EU regulation that requires camera. Cars without cameras are easy to buy and usually cheaper then ones with camera.

nonethewiser 4y ago

Failing consumers isnt an externality.