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Because compelling someone to actively do something is fundamentally different from restricting them from a future action, in the eyes of the law.

by d_watt 4y ago

bitwize 4y ago
What the Constitution says is not how the system actually works. The magic phrase "national security" means they can compel you to do as they please, and find you guilty without due process if you don't. Hell, the FBI is one of the largest CSAM distribution rings in the world, and they can simply "discover" CSAM on your computer if you don't knuckle under. Then you will be legit found guilty and morally discredited for the rest of your life. If the Feds really want to nail you -- to teach you a lesson and/or make an example out of you -- you're nailed.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  They CP'd Paddock of Vegas
  - mcculley 4y ago
    You think they planted evidence? What makes you believe that?
    - pc86 4y ago
      It's convenient for their particular brand of conspiracy theory.
      - JasonFruit 4y ago
        That's a lot of assumption. Why not let them answer for themselves?
- celtoid 4y ago
  "...the state system which has emerged in the United States is a constitutional deformation which menaces the freedom and well being of its citizenry, and Which poses a danger to world civilization. What is hanging in the balance in the last twenty-five years of this century is whether the people, scholars, lawyers and judges, and members of the government, can so organize their understanding and their political actions as to avert fascism or Bonapartism, a debilitating arms race that could end in the kind of horror from which there will be no redemption, and a decaying economic system which impoverishes Americans as well as people elsewhere." "Democracy Versus The National Security State" by Marcus Raskin, 1976 https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/lcp/vol40/iss3/7/ https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/lcp/vol40/iss3/7/
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > they can compel you to do as they please, and find you guilty without due process if you don't The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled on compelled speech [1], most colourfully on the pledge of allegiance [2]. It’s the theory Apple ran with in the San Bernardino case to avoid creating a decryption key [3]. A theory that was so successful the FBI pulled their case rather than risk a precedent for encryption. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of... [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute
- krplan 4y ago
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  - kasey_junk 4y ago
    Assange is being held without bail during pre-trial motions in the UK because he jumped bail the last time he had bail. If they are making an example of him it’s “if you jump bail you won’t get it again”.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  This is true. Prominent conspiracy theorist Chuck Schumer warned people about this when he blew the whistle about the intelligence agencies having six ways from Sunday to get back at anybody who crosses them, even the president.

Because compelling someone to actively do something is fundamentally different from restricting them from a future action, in the eyes of the law.

by d_watt 4y ago

Because compelling someone to actively do something is fundamentally different from restricting them from a future action, in the eyes of the law.

bitwize 4y ago

What the Constitution says is not how the system actually works. The magic phrase "national security" means they can compel you to do as they please, and find you guilty without due process if you don't. Hell, the FBI is one of the largest CSAM distribution rings in the world, and they can simply "discover" CSAM on your computer if you don't knuckle under. Then you will be legit found guilty and morally discredited for the rest of your life. If the Feds really want to nail you -- to teach you a lesson and/or make an example out of you -- you're nailed.

orangepurple 4y ago
They CP'd Paddock of Vegas
- mcculley 4y ago
  You think they planted evidence? What makes you believe that?
  - pc86 4y ago
    It's convenient for their particular brand of conspiracy theory.
    - JasonFruit 4y ago
      That's a lot of assumption. Why not let them answer for themselves?
celtoid 4y ago
"...the state system which has emerged in the United States is a constitutional deformation which menaces the freedom and well being of its citizenry, and Which poses a danger to world civilization. What is hanging in the balance in the last twenty-five years of this century is whether the people, scholars, lawyers and judges, and members of the government, can so organize their understanding and their political actions as to avert fascism or Bonapartism, a debilitating arms race that could end in the kind of horror from which there will be no redemption, and a decaying economic system which impoverishes Americans as well as people elsewhere." "Democracy Versus The National Security State" by Marcus Raskin, 1976 https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/lcp/vol40/iss3/7/ https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/lcp/vol40/iss3/7/
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> they can compel you to do as they please, and find you guilty without due process if you don't The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled on compelled speech [1], most colourfully on the pledge of allegiance [2]. It’s the theory Apple ran with in the San Bernardino case to avoid creating a decryption key [3]. A theory that was so successful the FBI pulled their case rather than risk a precedent for encryption. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of... [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute
krplan 4y ago
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- kasey_junk 4y ago
  Assange is being held without bail during pre-trial motions in the UK because he jumped bail the last time he had bail. If they are making an example of him it’s “if you jump bail you won’t get it again”.
throwawaylinux 4y ago
This is true. Prominent conspiracy theorist Chuck Schumer warned people about this when he blew the whistle about the intelligence agencies having six ways from Sunday to get back at anybody who crosses them, even the president.