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All models are wrong, some are useful. CICO is neither a religion nor a complete explanation of metabolism. It’s a super simplified model that leads to some us

All models are wrong, some are useful. CICO is neither a religion nor a complete explanation of metabolism. It’s a super simplified model that leads to some useful practical conslusions (eg it’s easier to eat less to lose weight than exercise more, some foods will make you more fat than others relative to how full they make you feel). It’s super accessible, you can look up the calories of whatever you eat and whatever exercise you do. I’ve seen lots of valid complaints about CICO, but never a suggestion for an alternative that’s similarly useful with even the same magnitude of simplicity. Note I take CICO to mean bio-available calories roughly equals base metabolic rate plus exercise out for the average person. Actual energy-balance “draw a box around a person” joules in equals joules out is unhelpfully reductionist.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> a suggestion for an alternative that’s similarly useful with even the same magnitude of simplicity. To me the issues comes down to how people deal with the simplicity: when we’re told we don’t have to think hard and focus on reading numbers on a label, it’s comforting enough to not want to get back to the cold hard truth. Even when it doesn’t work, it’s just simpler to blame people (including us) than to try to think hard again. People hate disclaimers and caveats. You can provide as many disclaimers and caveats as you want with the ultra simple theory, they will be forgotten instantly, only the simple part will remain, evolve on its own and live its life as a meme. I’m with you that it should be fine if it’s a net positive for the vast majority of people. But it’s now the prevalent advice, and looking the stats it doesn’t seem to have a positive effect. If anything, we now know the meme advice doesn’t work for most people.
imtringued 4y ago
Calories in calories out is unfalsifiable so people hide behind it as if it makes them invulnerable. If people don't or can't measure CI or CO then you can blame them for being wrong. All of this flies in the face of the fact that your body should be able to regulate this for you, which would make manual calorie counting in your head or via apps obsolete. So there are only two possibilities left. Either our bodies are defective and we need crutches like machine assisted calorie counting or our bodies work just fine but there are some weaknesses that can be exploited and calorie counting is just a technique for defending against those who exploit them. And no I don't mean there is an evil conspiracy by the food industry. Your obese parents telling you to eat two pizza per day can be equally exploitative because listening to parents' orders is higher priority than listening to what your body says about how many calories you have consumed.

makeitdouble 4y ago

> a suggestion for an alternative that’s similarly useful with even the same magnitude of simplicity. To me the issues comes down to how people deal with the simplicity: when we’re told we don’t have to think hard and focus on reading numbers on a label, it’s comforting enough to not want to get back to the cold hard truth. Even when it doesn’t work, it’s just simpler to blame people (including us) than to try to think hard again. People hate disclaimers and caveats. You can provide as many disclaimers and caveats as you want with the ultra simple theory, they will be forgotten instantly, only the simple part will remain, evolve on its own and live its life as a meme. I’m with you that it should be fine if it’s a net positive for the vast majority of people. But it’s now the prevalent advice, and looking the stats it doesn’t seem to have a positive effect. If anything, we now know the meme advice doesn’t work for most people.

imtringued 4y ago

Calories in calories out is unfalsifiable so people hide behind it as if it makes them invulnerable. If people don't or can't measure CI or CO then you can blame them for being wrong. All of this flies in the face of the fact that your body should be able to regulate this for you, which would make manual calorie counting in your head or via apps obsolete. So there are only two possibilities left. Either our bodies are defective and we need crutches like machine assisted calorie counting or our bodies work just fine but there are some weaknesses that can be exploited and calorie counting is just a technique for defending against those who exploit them. And no I don't mean there is an evil conspiracy by the food industry. Your obese parents telling you to eat two pizza per day can be equally exploitative because listening to parents' orders is higher priority than listening to what your body says about how many calories you have consumed.