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> No, just average people, who built the community over time into something desirable, that were promised with zoning laws that it would be the type of communit

> No, just average people, who built the community over time into something desirable, that were promised with zoning laws that it would be the type of community (single family homes, etc) that they wanted, and that then dedicated the majority of their lifetime earning power to purchase a home there. No one was promised that the zoning laws wouldn't someday change. Maybe what's really needed is a complete repeal of proposition 13. If homeowners want to block local development leading to increasing housing costs, they can at least pay for it in their taxes.

nradov 4y ago
You are welcome to put a repeal of Proposition 13 on the next ballot. All it takes is a $2000 fee and some signed petitions. https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-qualify-initiative https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-qualify...
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  Frankly that's a waste of time. People are are all too happy not paying their fair share of taxes and will fight hard to preserve that inequity. The clearly correct approach is for the state to continue its current path of overruling local zoning ordinances and to allow increases in density against the will of local homeowners.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > The clearly correct approach is for the state to continue its current path of overruling local zoning ordinances and to allow increases in density against the will of local homeowners. That's a very radical statement. In your view, the role of the state is to go against the wishes of people who actually live there? To satify whom? People who are not citizens of the state who might later move in if things change? What if the state angers the locals to leave and the outsiders who instigated the change decide not to move in after all? Can you document historical cases of cities and states which thrived on such an approach?
- celestialcheese 4y ago
  Categorizing 575k signatures as just "some signed petitions" is some unreal minimization of the cost and difficulty to get this done. 2022 ballot measures "Cost per required signature" was $16.18. [1]. Between $6.4m -> $18.8m to get a prop on the ballot. 1 - https://ballotpedia.org/California_ballot_initiative_petition_signature_costs https://ballotpedia.org/California_ballot_initiative_petitio...

nradov 4y ago

You are welcome to put a repeal of Proposition 13 on the next ballot. All it takes is a $2000 fee and some signed petitions. https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-qualify-initiative https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/how-qualify...

CogitoCogito 4y ago
Frankly that's a waste of time. People are are all too happy not paying their fair share of taxes and will fight hard to preserve that inequity. The clearly correct approach is for the state to continue its current path of overruling local zoning ordinances and to allow increases in density against the will of local homeowners.
- jjav 4y ago
  > The clearly correct approach is for the state to continue its current path of overruling local zoning ordinances and to allow increases in density against the will of local homeowners. That's a very radical statement. In your view, the role of the state is to go against the wishes of people who actually live there? To satify whom? People who are not citizens of the state who might later move in if things change? What if the state angers the locals to leave and the outsiders who instigated the change decide not to move in after all? Can you document historical cases of cities and states which thrived on such an approach?
celestialcheese 4y ago
Categorizing 575k signatures as just "some signed petitions" is some unreal minimization of the cost and difficulty to get this done. 2022 ballot measures "Cost per required signature" was $16.18. [1]. Between $6.4m -> $18.8m to get a prop on the ballot. 1 - https://ballotpedia.org/California_ballot_initiative_petition_signature_costs https://ballotpedia.org/California_ballot_initiative_petitio...