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Global warming being caused in part by internal combustion engines and aviation results in less snow for skiers... Solution? Chopper some more snow in to counte
by Logans_Run 4y ago
Global warming being caused in part by internal combustion engines and aviation results in less snow for skiers... Solution? Chopper some more snow in to counter the effects of I.C.E's and aviation. Huhmmmm.... Does anyone else spot a dichotomy in thinking here?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoThere is like 115,000 commercial flights a day. Complaining about the impact of celeb x or one off flights is just silly.
- blitzar 4y ago100 flights for 200 cubic meters of snow. However, the heli strategy did not work, as the CEO explains in “Capital”: “This attempt did not work,” says In-Albon. The amount of snow per flight is too small and loading and unloading too difficult. It didnt even work.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoBut each of those flights carries 100+ passengers + tons of cargo. Does taylor swift or ursula von der leyn really need a private plane for traveling 50km? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/11/02/revealed-air-miles-ursula-used-private-jet-travel-just-31-miles/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/11/02/revealed-a...
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI live near a small airfield and many aircraft travel 0km. They takeoff, fly around, and land in the same place just for fun!
- prottog 4y agoBy that metric, very few of us travel more than the distance from where we were born to where we are buried. ;-)
- kiliantics 4y agowhy not both? the population of the super wealthy is getting pretty large and they take a lot of flights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNcYxHJPLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNcYxHJPLE
- flavius29663 4y agoComplaining about celebs is mostly because they are big pushers for green energy and climate change mitigation, then they go ahead and fly private planes everywhere. Rules for thee... Some people feel like they're treated like serfs: you stay in your village, on car, no flights, no tourism, save water, wave electricity, while I, the nobleman, get to travel to climate change conferences in private planes, because I am important to the cause.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoThere is no rule preventing me from doing the same. This reads like flamebait.
- bnt 4y agoSurreal times we’re living in.
- chmod775 4y agoIt's probably nothing next to the CO2 generated by all the people traveling there, but you're on the right track.
- a4a4a4a4 4y agoYou realize there are entire towns and villages whose lives depend on this tourism, right? I'm not saying it's a perfect solution to fly snow in, but you can't discount the impact this has on the population if the resorts close down.
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- epgui 4y agoThe survival of a few villages is an issue that pales in comparison to the issue of climate change.
- a4a4a4a4 4y agoWritten from the comfort of your warm home with your secure, easily replaceable tech job. It's very easy to be philosophical when it's not your entire life and family history at stake. Answering questions like "what should people do instead?" is important to figuring out how we can move away from things that damage the climate. If you just tell people "your life and livelihood isn't as important as X" isn't going to get that person to agree with you.
- epgui 4y agoI don’t really appreciate the spin you’re putting to my comment, but I think you’re just missing the point. The point of my comment is not to trivialize the livelihoods of the inhabitants of “a few villages”. As you correctly point out, that would be crass and unfair. The point of my comment is that climate change is an existential crisis at a scale much larger than “a few villages”: it’s fairly likely to result in an extinction event. For all villages.
- bernardv 4y agoTypical human behavior to constantly seek to push their luck, past the point of sustainability. Any resource-based community, tied to a single commodity, must know it is living on borrowed time.
- nix23 4y agoAnd you can add the water and power that was wasted before that...snowcanon's...bring up food and beer so the skiers can eat a schnitzel and drink a beer there, and about 70% come with their cars, and all the helicopter flights and explosives to prevent avalanches, oh and the nightly Snowcats to make the slope beautiful. It's a massive waste of energy overall.
- danuker 4y agoAt what point does human enjoyment become waste of energy? And so what if energy is wasted? Is greenhouse gas the problem? Paradoxically, global warming benefited Europe this winter, reducing the influence of the Russian gas embargo. In any case, European countries have lower greenhouse gas emissions per citizen than, say, the US or Australia (since we actually have emissions taxes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...
- throw_pm23 4y agoThere was a nice comic that expressed things in terms of horse-power or "invisible slaves" working for you. When your enjoyment requires the equivalent of thousands working for you, and it is from a resource that is finite and non-renewable, then it is probably wasteful. Found it: https://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/energy-slaves/ https://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/energy-slaves/
- prottog 4y agoThen it's a beautiful thing that modern life allows even those of humble means to enjoy the comforts for which kings of old would have needed thousands of actual slaves. Every resource is finite and non-renewable considering even the sun will go out at some point. Let's not bemoan the use of fossil-sourced energy until the point we level up in technology and can master less polluting sources. After all, fossil fuels have fostered more human life than climate change will ever destroy.
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- capableweb 4y agoBut, what about the races?! According to the organizer, this was absolutely justified because of the... added value! > “Of course it sounds incredibly stupid to transport snow by helicopter. But that was the only way we could save the slalom and combined races. The effort was absolutely justified.” He referred to the very high added value for the entire region.
- zx8080 4y agoThey says "absolutely justified", no reason for distrust. Money talks.
- Nowado 4y agoWait until you hear about air conditioning.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y agoAir conditioning is relatively efficient compared to driving a 2000 pound steel box 30 miles down the road (and back) to buy eggs.
- sokoloff 4y agoMaybe an air-cooled VW Beetle or 1980s Golf/Rabbit weighed that little, but a modern car is more like 1.5 to 2x that.
- prottog 4y agoYeah, light cars are rare, especially in the US. A brand-new base model Hyundai Elantra, which is a very mainstream compact sedan, weighs 2,725 lbs. The lightest new passenger car sold is the Mitsubishi Mirage at 2,095 lbs. It has all of 78 horsepower. ;-)
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoHey, don't forget the steel box is also going to be air conditioned as well.
- NotYourLawyer 4y agoMost people live a lot closer than 30 miles from the grocery store.
- alar44 4y agoIdiot sheep humans and their... Food.
- saiya-jin 4y agoThis was 1 chopper doing private property management to increase its value, yet outrage here resembles end of world... lets be a bit smarter. Ie one can save 1000x more energy every year to resettle people from places like Phoenix to location where AC nor heating is not needed. We can sit all day coming up with fantasies what to ban to cut down energy consumption
- planede 4y agoI guess Futurama is a documentary now https://youtu.be/0SYpUSjSgFg?t=66 https://youtu.be/0SYpUSjSgFg?t=66
- bamboozled 4y agoAbsolutely idiotic isn't it?
- hankchinaski 4y agotransport accounts for 16.2% of greenhouse emissions
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- synthc 4y agoThink again.
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- mythhouse 4y ago> Huhmmmm.... Does anyone else spot a dichotomy in thinking here? No because we've accepted rich flying their private jets and lecturing everyone about how they are causing climate change by driving their suv to drop off kids at school. This isn't any weirder than that.
- sva_ 4y agoEveryone always has some special reason justifying what they do.
- dsfyu404ed 4y agoI think the point is that if you're gonna tell other people what to do you need to set some semblance of an example by putting your money where your mouth is. For example no religion that preaches the traditional sorts of stuff religions preach tolerates clergy who act like Charlie Sheen.
- izacus 4y ago> Global warming being caused in part by internal combustion engines and aviation results in less snow for skiers... Solution? Chopper some more snow in to counter the effects of I.C.E's and aviation. Huhmmmm.... Does anyone else spot a dichotomy in thinking here? Well, they're doing it to keep their income and profits coming. A major part of it in fact - probably half the yearly income. Since you're probably from a western country, how much of an income cut and inconvenience when driving/commuting were you prepared to take to combat climate change until now? Because that's really what you're asking here - are you going to take a 50% paycut and stop using your ICE vehicle forever?
- lotsofpulp 4y ago> Because that's really what you're asking here - are you going to take a 50% paycut and stop using your ICE vehicle forever? Only if everyone else does. I.e. a fossil fuel tax so high that it renders helicoptering snow for recreational activities untenable.
- izacus 4y agoExactly! That's the thing happening here - "I'm going to keep my convenience until everyone else changes their mind!" being used as an excuse to do nothing and just point fingers at others.
- mrpopo 4y agoNot really the same thing. Snow in low-altitude stations is running out. Bringing it in via helicopter is not gonna work forever. People cannot keep relying on it for their income.
- timeon 4y ago> inconvenience when driving/commuting Most people I know just commute on bike or public transport.
- WeylandYutani 4y agoI'm an atheist with no kids. I have to basically use up this planet before I die because I can't take it with me into the grave.