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Thats interesting. I assumed narco subs fell into DHS/USCG jurisdiction and since they have no ASW/ASuW functionality (I think?), getting the USN involved seems

Thats interesting. I assumed narco subs fell into DHS/USCG jurisdiction and since they have no ASW/ASuW functionality (I think?), getting the USN involved seems kinda overkill? Am I wrong? As an engineer I can't help but be kind of impressed with narco subs, especially traversing the atlantic from south america to europe. I wonder where this arms race will go: unmanned narco subs? weaponized narco subs?? yikes.

KirillPanov 4y ago
Does the Coast Guard have submarines?
- case0x00 4y ago
  Not that I know of, but I guess elements of the USCG can be seconded by the USN to assist in a law-enforcement capacity? it makes sense that the maritime forces get to play together though.
  - api 4y ago
    Also guess it would not violate the posse commitatus (sp?) act because this is off shore and not involving US citizens.
    - levinb 4y ago
      This is correct. The USCG often rides along with the Navy in order to conduct blue-water LE operations, as the Navy and DoD are barred from LE by Posse Comitatus. Navy has vastly more maritime resources than the USCG and will pass info, but doesn't board ships or engage in pursuit on it's own. It's actually a good system, as the difference between Defense and LE is important to maintain.
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      - imwillofficial 4y ago
        Depends on where. International waters? No problem. Close to shore? Need LE backup to be legal. Navy VBSS teams can and do run interdictions on the regular in open seas. The movie Sicario is basically premised off this idea of getting a LE Officer onboard for legality’s sake.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  Nope
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
By "hunt" he means "they're on the list of things we listen for and track and when the sonar guy finds one we pass the tip to the guys on land who'll pass it to the coast guard" A submarine isn't gonna blow its cover to conduct what's basically a wet traffic stop except maybe in some edge case circumstances and even if they wanted to there's a bunch of other ancillary reasons not to do that.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  By hunt I meant a specific deployment. But the above poster is exactly right. A sub finds them, and calls it in, the CG get all the glory. Fine by us.

KirillPanov 4y ago

Does the Coast Guard have submarines?

case0x00 4y ago
Not that I know of, but I guess elements of the USCG can be seconded by the USN to assist in a law-enforcement capacity? it makes sense that the maritime forces get to play together though.
- api 4y ago
  Also guess it would not violate the posse commitatus (sp?) act because this is off shore and not involving US citizens.
  - levinb 4y ago
    This is correct. The USCG often rides along with the Navy in order to conduct blue-water LE operations, as the Navy and DoD are barred from LE by Posse Comitatus. Navy has vastly more maritime resources than the USCG and will pass info, but doesn't board ships or engage in pursuit on it's own. It's actually a good system, as the difference between Defense and LE is important to maintain.
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    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      Depends on where. International waters? No problem. Close to shore? Need LE backup to be legal. Navy VBSS teams can and do run interdictions on the regular in open seas. The movie Sicario is basically premised off this idea of getting a LE Officer onboard for legality’s sake.
imwillofficial 4y ago
Nope

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

By "hunt" he means "they're on the list of things we listen for and track and when the sonar guy finds one we pass the tip to the guys on land who'll pass it to the coast guard" A submarine isn't gonna blow its cover to conduct what's basically a wet traffic stop except maybe in some edge case circumstances and even if they wanted to there's a bunch of other ancillary reasons not to do that.

imwillofficial 4y ago
By hunt I meant a specific deployment. But the above poster is exactly right. A sub finds them, and calls it in, the CG get all the glory. Fine by us.