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Beautiful! Any tips on where to start learning to hack mice? I have a few where I'd love to tune the debounce algorithm (switch wear).

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
It's way easier than it sounds. Logitech provides a tool that lets you program their gaming mouses. They use Lua. I don't know Lua but there were plenty of guides for different gaming macros like recoil compensation and the Logitech documentation was decent enough.
- WithinReason 4y ago
  Is the program uploaded to the mouse, so does it still work if you plug it into a different computer that lacks the software?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    Yes.
- danuker 4y ago
  Oh. I was thinking you were rewriting the firmware against the manufacturer's wishes. I am not interested in installing bloatware drivers. Embedded IDEs OTOH...
  - NegativeLatency 4y ago
    Got one of these recently, they run qmk so easy to modify if that’s your thing: https://ploopy.co/ https://ploopy.co/
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  > macros like recoil compensation Isn't this cheating?
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    It 100% is. The problem is that preventing it is difficult to impossible. You can't calculate recoil server-side because the latency would make it nigh unplayable. But once it's done client-side, it's cheatable.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      This is making me feel old. Totally agree it is difficult, but not impossible. Logitech is the problem here for even allowing this in the first place. No CRC checks for mouse firmware or anything? It screams poor implementation. I will not be surprised if anti-cheat software starts banning people or companies like Logitech. Kind of sad to see the number of threads and communities online encouraging this. The point of games is to have fun, when you cheat all that goes out the door.
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        There are multiple mice vendors that allow this. And you can’t ban them because the cheater focused ones will just set their device ID to match some common device.
      - nulld3v 4y ago
        The last thing I want is to have to buy a "certified/trusted" mouse to play a game.
        danuker 4y ago
        Which won't work without a subscription
        bobleeswagger 4y ago
        Nobody said they wanted this, but I'd rather that than play with a bunch of cheaters.
      - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
        > No CRC checks for mouse firmware or anything? It's client-side. Spoofing the CRC checks would be almost trivial.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

It's way easier than it sounds. Logitech provides a tool that lets you program their gaming mouses. They use Lua. I don't know Lua but there were plenty of guides for different gaming macros like recoil compensation and the Logitech documentation was decent enough.

WithinReason 4y ago
Is the program uploaded to the mouse, so does it still work if you plug it into a different computer that lacks the software?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  Yes.
danuker 4y ago
Oh. I was thinking you were rewriting the firmware against the manufacturer's wishes. I am not interested in installing bloatware drivers. Embedded IDEs OTOH...
- NegativeLatency 4y ago
  Got one of these recently, they run qmk so easy to modify if that’s your thing: https://ploopy.co/ https://ploopy.co/
bobleeswagger 4y ago
> macros like recoil compensation Isn't this cheating?
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  It 100% is. The problem is that preventing it is difficult to impossible. You can't calculate recoil server-side because the latency would make it nigh unplayable. But once it's done client-side, it's cheatable.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    This is making me feel old. Totally agree it is difficult, but not impossible. Logitech is the problem here for even allowing this in the first place. No CRC checks for mouse firmware or anything? It screams poor implementation. I will not be surprised if anti-cheat software starts banning people or companies like Logitech. Kind of sad to see the number of threads and communities online encouraging this. The point of games is to have fun, when you cheat all that goes out the door.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      There are multiple mice vendors that allow this. And you can’t ban them because the cheater focused ones will just set their device ID to match some common device.
    - nulld3v 4y ago
      The last thing I want is to have to buy a "certified/trusted" mouse to play a game.
      - danuker 4y ago
        Which won't work without a subscription
      - bobleeswagger 4y ago
        Nobody said they wanted this, but I'd rather that than play with a bunch of cheaters.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      > No CRC checks for mouse firmware or anything? It's client-side. Spoofing the CRC checks would be almost trivial.