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I have a Model S Plaid and they do have haptic feedback when you press them, but the problem is they require muscle memory to know the exact place to press to g

I have a Model S Plaid and they do have haptic feedback when you press them, but the problem is they require muscle memory to know the exact place to press to get left/right turn signal or horn. I'm 6'1" and the horn is particularly problematic because it requires stretching your right thumb an uncomfortable amount to hit it. It reminds me of using a very large smartphone and trying to use your thumb to reach a tap point at the top of the screen. Terrible UX. There have been several times I've needed to honk at someone quickly and been unable to hit the right button. The other issue with the yoke is that it still requires the same amount of turns as a normal wheel, so 3 point turns and U turns become more challenging. I've adapted, but you also have to use the touchscreen to select forward/reverse, so 3 point turns are like this: - Turn the wheel hard left (hand over hand but you have to grab only the sides) - Brake, then slide reverse on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road) - Turn the wheel hard right (hand over hand again) - Brake, then slide forward on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road again) - accelerate out of the turn while straightening the wheel I"m a pretty capable driver but this is way harder than it should be and I can't imagine my wife or many "normal" drivers being able to manage all of this, while taking their eyes off the road, and not causing an accident. Tesla makes great cars, but it's amazing that NHTSA hasn't recalled the yoke yet...

refulgentis 4y ago
You just explained it doesn't make great cars, and you wish the government could make them make great cars.
- bitexploder 4y ago
  They make cars with some great features and a lot of bad ones. I thought we could get over Model 3 Performance issues because the drivetrain and range were great, but all the other stuff was just way too much. 3 years. It was an overall, if barely, positive experience. What is amusing is most of it is unforced problems. Purposeful bad design decisions that put critical car features in difficult to use places with bad feedback mechanisms for no apparent reason. It is honestly perplexing. Eventually we gave up, it was just not good having critical features of driving a car change year to year. We have an Audi e-tron now. Wish the range was better, but it is better in almost every other way.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  I wish the government could make them make safe cars or not sell them for use on public roads. They used to do that and it wasn’t controversial for like 36? of my 40 years on this earth.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
Do you need to go hand over hand or is single finger enough?
- illumin8 4y ago
  You need to go hand over hand. If you're good you can use the palm of a single hand to rotate the wheel (kind of like those handlebars that people used to put on steering wheels years ago to turn them easier).
albertopv 4y ago
Touchscreen for forward/reverse? That's totally, literally insane!
- Lendal 4y ago
  Yes, and this is the problem. The shape of the wheel is literally the only thing about it that's fine. At least you got something in return. The shape is "cool". There's nothing "cool" about these f'king buttons and touchscreen forward/reverse. Any time you change something in UX, there is always a backlash. You have to give something back. You have to make the change worthwhile. Add some kind of benefit to the user in return for their having to swallow the crap. The shape of the wheel being "cool" is the benefit here. Changing it back to round without removing all the other surrounding bad UX changes is worse, because you're taking away the benefit while keeping in place most of the crap.

refulgentis 4y ago

You just explained it doesn't make great cars, and you wish the government could make them make great cars.

bitexploder 4y ago
They make cars with some great features and a lot of bad ones. I thought we could get over Model 3 Performance issues because the drivetrain and range were great, but all the other stuff was just way too much. 3 years. It was an overall, if barely, positive experience. What is amusing is most of it is unforced problems. Purposeful bad design decisions that put critical car features in difficult to use places with bad feedback mechanisms for no apparent reason. It is honestly perplexing. Eventually we gave up, it was just not good having critical features of driving a car change year to year. We have an Audi e-tron now. Wish the range was better, but it is better in almost every other way.
eyelidlessness 4y ago
I wish the government could make them make safe cars or not sell them for use on public roads. They used to do that and it wasn’t controversial for like 36? of my 40 years on this earth.

dzhiurgis 4y ago

Do you need to go hand over hand or is single finger enough?

illumin8 4y ago
You need to go hand over hand. If you're good you can use the palm of a single hand to rotate the wheel (kind of like those handlebars that people used to put on steering wheels years ago to turn them easier).

albertopv 4y ago

Touchscreen for forward/reverse? That's totally, literally insane!

Lendal 4y ago
Yes, and this is the problem. The shape of the wheel is literally the only thing about it that's fine. At least you got something in return. The shape is "cool". There's nothing "cool" about these f'king buttons and touchscreen forward/reverse. Any time you change something in UX, there is always a backlash. You have to give something back. You have to make the change worthwhile. Add some kind of benefit to the user in return for their having to swallow the crap. The shape of the wheel being "cool" is the benefit here. Changing it back to round without removing all the other surrounding bad UX changes is worse, because you're taking away the benefit while keeping in place most of the crap.