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It wasn't the shape of the wheel that was the problem. It was the unasked-for capacitive-touch turn signal buttons located on the left side of the wheel, instea

by Lendal 4y ago

It wasn't the shape of the wheel that was the problem. It was the unasked-for capacitive-touch turn signal buttons located on the left side of the wheel, instead of a turn-signal lever. The round wheel keeps those useless buttons, so is not a solution to the problem. You still have to use your left thumb to pick between these two buttons. They don't push in, have no feedback and they are often unresponsive, especially when you attempt to push one while turning the wheel at the same time with your left thumb at an odd angle. It just doesn't work. Bring back the turn signal lever.

Hellion 4y ago
Mercedes put a bunch of these in the $100k plus EQS. Car companies: we are begging you, please stop with controls without pressure sensitivity and haptic feedback. Copy apple if you need to, just cut it out!
- actuator 4y ago
  Apple is not the only or the first manufacturer that did this, they wouldn't be copying Apple if they do this.
- rgmerk 4y ago
  Apparently, VW are going to bring back buttons after lots of feedback like yours: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/volkswagen-relents-and-brings-us-our-buttons.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/volkswagen-relents-and-brin...
illumin8 4y ago
I have a Model S Plaid and they do have haptic feedback when you press them, but the problem is they require muscle memory to know the exact place to press to get left/right turn signal or horn. I'm 6'1" and the horn is particularly problematic because it requires stretching your right thumb an uncomfortable amount to hit it. It reminds me of using a very large smartphone and trying to use your thumb to reach a tap point at the top of the screen. Terrible UX. There have been several times I've needed to honk at someone quickly and been unable to hit the right button. The other issue with the yoke is that it still requires the same amount of turns as a normal wheel, so 3 point turns and U turns become more challenging. I've adapted, but you also have to use the touchscreen to select forward/reverse, so 3 point turns are like this: - Turn the wheel hard left (hand over hand but you have to grab only the sides) - Brake, then slide reverse on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road) - Turn the wheel hard right (hand over hand again) - Brake, then slide forward on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road again) - accelerate out of the turn while straightening the wheel I"m a pretty capable driver but this is way harder than it should be and I can't imagine my wife or many "normal" drivers being able to manage all of this, while taking their eyes off the road, and not causing an accident. Tesla makes great cars, but it's amazing that NHTSA hasn't recalled the yoke yet...
- refulgentis 4y ago
  You just explained it doesn't make great cars, and you wish the government could make them make great cars.
  - bitexploder 4y ago
    They make cars with some great features and a lot of bad ones. I thought we could get over Model 3 Performance issues because the drivetrain and range were great, but all the other stuff was just way too much. 3 years. It was an overall, if barely, positive experience. What is amusing is most of it is unforced problems. Purposeful bad design decisions that put critical car features in difficult to use places with bad feedback mechanisms for no apparent reason. It is honestly perplexing. Eventually we gave up, it was just not good having critical features of driving a car change year to year. We have an Audi e-tron now. Wish the range was better, but it is better in almost every other way.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    I wish the government could make them make safe cars or not sell them for use on public roads. They used to do that and it wasn’t controversial for like 36? of my 40 years on this earth.
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Do you need to go hand over hand or is single finger enough?
  - illumin8 4y ago
    You need to go hand over hand. If you're good you can use the palm of a single hand to rotate the wheel (kind of like those handlebars that people used to put on steering wheels years ago to turn them easier).
- albertopv 4y ago
  Touchscreen for forward/reverse? That's totally, literally insane!
Grazester 4y ago
The shape is very much a problem since this steering rack is not a variable ratio one!
hulitu 4y ago
You should be happy that the pedals do not slide when you take turns. /s That is what happens when web developers design cars.
- NoToP 4y ago
  The turn signals and horn are hidden in a hamburger menu. Brakes and accelerator both hang waiting on a callback from Google analytics. Approx 30mb of js are downloaded each time you want to roll the windows just to make pointless assanine "breezy/not breezy" animations play on hover. The windshield wipers do half a wipe and then the windshield goes dark and a modal pops up asking if you want to subscribe.

by Lendal 4y ago

Hellion 4y ago

Mercedes put a bunch of these in the $100k plus EQS. Car companies: we are begging you, please stop with controls without pressure sensitivity and haptic feedback. Copy apple if you need to, just cut it out!

actuator 4y ago
Apple is not the only or the first manufacturer that did this, they wouldn't be copying Apple if they do this.
rgmerk 4y ago
Apparently, VW are going to bring back buttons after lots of feedback like yours: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/volkswagen-relents-and-brings-us-our-buttons.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/volkswagen-relents-and-brin...

illumin8 4y ago

I have a Model S Plaid and they do have haptic feedback when you press them, but the problem is they require muscle memory to know the exact place to press to get left/right turn signal or horn. I'm 6'1" and the horn is particularly problematic because it requires stretching your right thumb an uncomfortable amount to hit it. It reminds me of using a very large smartphone and trying to use your thumb to reach a tap point at the top of the screen. Terrible UX. There have been several times I've needed to honk at someone quickly and been unable to hit the right button. The other issue with the yoke is that it still requires the same amount of turns as a normal wheel, so 3 point turns and U turns become more challenging. I've adapted, but you also have to use the touchscreen to select forward/reverse, so 3 point turns are like this: - Turn the wheel hard left (hand over hand but you have to grab only the sides) - Brake, then slide reverse on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road) - Turn the wheel hard right (hand over hand again) - Brake, then slide forward on the touchscreen (taking your eyes off the road again) - accelerate out of the turn while straightening the wheel I"m a pretty capable driver but this is way harder than it should be and I can't imagine my wife or many "normal" drivers being able to manage all of this, while taking their eyes off the road, and not causing an accident. Tesla makes great cars, but it's amazing that NHTSA hasn't recalled the yoke yet...

refulgentis 4y ago
You just explained it doesn't make great cars, and you wish the government could make them make great cars.
- bitexploder 4y ago
  They make cars with some great features and a lot of bad ones. I thought we could get over Model 3 Performance issues because the drivetrain and range were great, but all the other stuff was just way too much. 3 years. It was an overall, if barely, positive experience. What is amusing is most of it is unforced problems. Purposeful bad design decisions that put critical car features in difficult to use places with bad feedback mechanisms for no apparent reason. It is honestly perplexing. Eventually we gave up, it was just not good having critical features of driving a car change year to year. We have an Audi e-tron now. Wish the range was better, but it is better in almost every other way.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  I wish the government could make them make safe cars or not sell them for use on public roads. They used to do that and it wasn’t controversial for like 36? of my 40 years on this earth.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
Do you need to go hand over hand or is single finger enough?
- illumin8 4y ago
  You need to go hand over hand. If you're good you can use the palm of a single hand to rotate the wheel (kind of like those handlebars that people used to put on steering wheels years ago to turn them easier).
albertopv 4y ago
Touchscreen for forward/reverse? That's totally, literally insane!

Grazester 4y ago

The shape is very much a problem since this steering rack is not a variable ratio one!

hulitu 4y ago

You should be happy that the pedals do not slide when you take turns. /s That is what happens when web developers design cars.

NoToP 4y ago
The turn signals and horn are hidden in a hamburger menu. Brakes and accelerator both hang waiting on a callback from Google analytics. Approx 30mb of js are downloaded each time you want to roll the windows just to make pointless assanine "breezy/not breezy" animations play on hover. The windshield wipers do half a wipe and then the windshield goes dark and a modal pops up asking if you want to subscribe.