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It’s not flaunting a law. It’s a typical built in Sacramento law written by dilettantes who can’t think through the simplest of problems. Just like the “can’t

It’s not flaunting a law. It’s a typical built in Sacramento law written by dilettantes who can’t think through the simplest of problems. Just like the “can’t charge extra for using a credit card” law. Prices went up and gas stations give a cash discount.

butlerm 4y ago
"Can't charge extra for using a credit card" is a contractual condition imposed by the credit card companies. If anything there should be a law voiding such conditions as contrary to sound public policy. Why should cash or debit card users in a competitive market be charged extra to subsidize rewards for credit card users, for example?
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
  Well, there is a law that states you can't charge extra for using a certain credit card. If you want to charge for credit card payments, the same fee has to apply to all cards you accept.
- CodeWriter23 4y ago
  Built in Sacramento https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/credit-card-surcharges https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/credit-card-surcharges
  - butlerm 4y ago
    It is always convenient for businesses to have the legislature enforce their preferred contract conditions in statutory law, but this particular statute sounds like it is unenforceable.
- chrismcb 4y ago
  Because they don't. Handling cash is expensive, and typically costs more than credit card fees.
tony_cannistra 4y ago
Yes it is. Perhaps Netflix is not _breaking_ a law, which itself may have been written by "dilettantes", but this action certainly disabuses us of the notion that Netflix has any intention to adhere to the spirit of the law, which was to reduce racial and gender-based salary gaps.
- Ferret7446 4y ago
  The "spirit of the law" is to bend reality. Laws are always well intended but are often, to put it bluntly, stupid. If it were really that easy, we'd be living in paradise now. Just write another law! The only thing wrong with the current situation is, unfortunately, anyone naive enough to believe that this law was supposed to have the intended effect. Otherwise, it's functioning exactly as any sensible person would have predicted.
maxerickson 4y ago
Is it flouting a law though? The credit card thing mostly isn't a law, it's part of the merchant agreements. There's a few states with a "no fees" law (which all allow cash discounts): https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2021/04/05/its-illegal-to-charge-credit-card-processing-fees-in-these-5-states/43512911/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2021/04...
seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Written by the same people that gave us the “everything causes cancer” warnings?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Written by the same people that gave us the “everything causes cancer” warnings? No, Prop 65 was written by a lawyer for the Environmental Defense Fund and proposed and passed as an initiative measure, SB 1162 was written by Senator Monique Limon and adoptef by the State Legislature. Different people, different process.
  - Ferret7446 4y ago
    I presume they meant people who share similar values and beliefs, not literally the same individuals. Specifically, the kind of liberal values associated with California, since the state is often mocked for said "cancer" warnings outside of the state (or other states with similar values).
Fatnino 4y ago
The typical cash discount at any gas station in California that I've seen is 10 cents. I get 3% back on gas purchases from my credit card. Question: At what price per gallon does it stop making cents (heh) to buy with cash? Hint: California hasn't had gas at that price for many years already.

butlerm 4y ago

"Can't charge extra for using a credit card" is a contractual condition imposed by the credit card companies. If anything there should be a law voiding such conditions as contrary to sound public policy. Why should cash or debit card users in a competitive market be charged extra to subsidize rewards for credit card users, for example?

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
Well, there is a law that states you can't charge extra for using a certain credit card. If you want to charge for credit card payments, the same fee has to apply to all cards you accept.
CodeWriter23 4y ago
Built in Sacramento https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/credit-card-surcharges https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/credit-card-surcharges
- butlerm 4y ago
  It is always convenient for businesses to have the legislature enforce their preferred contract conditions in statutory law, but this particular statute sounds like it is unenforceable.
chrismcb 4y ago
Because they don't. Handling cash is expensive, and typically costs more than credit card fees.

tony_cannistra 4y ago

Yes it is. Perhaps Netflix is not _breaking_ a law, which itself may have been written by "dilettantes", but this action certainly disabuses us of the notion that Netflix has any intention to adhere to the spirit of the law, which was to reduce racial and gender-based salary gaps.

Ferret7446 4y ago
The "spirit of the law" is to bend reality. Laws are always well intended but are often, to put it bluntly, stupid. If it were really that easy, we'd be living in paradise now. Just write another law! The only thing wrong with the current situation is, unfortunately, anyone naive enough to believe that this law was supposed to have the intended effect. Otherwise, it's functioning exactly as any sensible person would have predicted.

maxerickson 4y ago

Is it flouting a law though? The credit card thing mostly isn't a law, it's part of the merchant agreements. There's a few states with a "no fees" law (which all allow cash discounts): https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2021/04/05/its-illegal-to-charge-credit-card-processing-fees-in-these-5-states/43512911/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2021/04...

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

Written by the same people that gave us the “everything causes cancer” warnings?

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Written by the same people that gave us the “everything causes cancer” warnings? No, Prop 65 was written by a lawyer for the Environmental Defense Fund and proposed and passed as an initiative measure, SB 1162 was written by Senator Monique Limon and adoptef by the State Legislature. Different people, different process.
- Ferret7446 4y ago
  I presume they meant people who share similar values and beliefs, not literally the same individuals. Specifically, the kind of liberal values associated with California, since the state is often mocked for said "cancer" warnings outside of the state (or other states with similar values).

Fatnino 4y ago

The typical cash discount at any gas station in California that I've seen is 10 cents. I get 3% back on gas purchases from my credit card. Question: At what price per gallon does it stop making cents (heh) to buy with cash? Hint: California hasn't had gas at that price for many years already.