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I did graduate work in Materials Science and the understanding in our lab was to be very skeptical of papers from China, particularly from the State Key Labs as

I did graduate work in Materials Science and the understanding in our lab was to be very skeptical of papers from China, particularly from the State Key Labs as they were very often impossible to replicate and ended up being useless. Seems relevant to this paper as well.

qwezxcrty 4y ago
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- colechristensen 4y ago
  A country, and specific institutions within, having a bad reputation for published research reliability isn’t racism.
- dekhn 4y ago
  Can you explain, in detail, why you believe that making a statement about the scientific output of a country, as measured by paper quality, is necessarily racist? In particular, I'm going to challenge you on this because the "racism" argument has been used as an easy cop-out to denigrate an opinion all-too-commonly. Please just explain your thinking of why it's "racist". Assume your reader is aware of the effects of socioeconomic status, national ambitions to become a science powerhouse, and the incentives to publish groundbreaking work.
- TchoBeer 4y ago
  There are tons, literally hundreds of Chinese-Americans and Chinese-Europeans and Chinese immigrants living all over the world who do research, and their work is not at all suspect. The reason why Chinese papers are suspect has to do with the academic and financial incentives which exist in the modern day People's Republic of China. With that being said, it's definitely possible that Chinese papers are perceived as suspect for racist reasons as well.
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  China the country, not Chinese the race. They’re not the same, and it’s not racism to throw shade at a country that deserves shade.
- mmcgaha 4y ago
  My racist view is that Chinese people are smarter than western people. Do you have a problem with that type of racism? What if it is true? If it is just my personal observation but don't make decisions based on race, am I still a bad person for recognizing a pattern in the people I know?
  - 778hbff 4y ago
    By this argument you are validating the invalid type of argument GP is making.
    - mmcgaha 4y ago
      The only people who are pure of heart live in a tribe that has never interacted with outsiders. Everyone else is tainted.
- 778hbff 4y ago
  The criticism was on the country, representing its system of academic publications, not on Chinese people and characteristics unique to their genetics or similar. Your argument is similar to calling anybody an antisemite who criticizes Israels politics. You're rightfully being downvoted.

qwezxcrty 4y ago

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colechristensen 4y ago
A country, and specific institutions within, having a bad reputation for published research reliability isn’t racism.
dekhn 4y ago
Can you explain, in detail, why you believe that making a statement about the scientific output of a country, as measured by paper quality, is necessarily racist? In particular, I'm going to challenge you on this because the "racism" argument has been used as an easy cop-out to denigrate an opinion all-too-commonly. Please just explain your thinking of why it's "racist". Assume your reader is aware of the effects of socioeconomic status, national ambitions to become a science powerhouse, and the incentives to publish groundbreaking work.
TchoBeer 4y ago
There are tons, literally hundreds of Chinese-Americans and Chinese-Europeans and Chinese immigrants living all over the world who do research, and their work is not at all suspect. The reason why Chinese papers are suspect has to do with the academic and financial incentives which exist in the modern day People's Republic of China. With that being said, it's definitely possible that Chinese papers are perceived as suspect for racist reasons as well.
NotYourLawyer 4y ago
China the country, not Chinese the race. They’re not the same, and it’s not racism to throw shade at a country that deserves shade.
mmcgaha 4y ago
My racist view is that Chinese people are smarter than western people. Do you have a problem with that type of racism? What if it is true? If it is just my personal observation but don't make decisions based on race, am I still a bad person for recognizing a pattern in the people I know?
- 778hbff 4y ago
  By this argument you are validating the invalid type of argument GP is making.
  - mmcgaha 4y ago
    The only people who are pure of heart live in a tribe that has never interacted with outsiders. Everyone else is tainted.
778hbff 4y ago
The criticism was on the country, representing its system of academic publications, not on Chinese people and characteristics unique to their genetics or similar. Your argument is similar to calling anybody an antisemite who criticizes Israels politics. You're rightfully being downvoted.