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> An US label on a component means nothing. Don't be so naive. It means everything, because when American company logos are found on parts in drone wreckage su

> An US label on a component means nothing. Don't be so naive. It means everything, because when American company logos are found on parts in drone wreckage surrounded by dead and mutilated Ukrainians, it makes those companies accessories to this illegal Russian war, and by extension and association, the United States, and me and you!

ceejayoz 4y ago
If you steal a knife from my house, and stab someone with it, am I an accessory to the crime because it's my knife? No. Texas Instruments isn't at fault if someone buys their chips legally, but turns around and resells them to the Russians. That'd be an insane standard to set, both ethically and legally. If an American company is deliberately selling components to Russia, by all means, nail them to the wall for violating sanctions. That's not what has happened here, though.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > If you steal a knife from my house, and stab someone with it, am I an accessory to the crime because it's my knife? No. You are employing the fallacy of poor analogy. These parts weren't stolen. And if you sold a weapon to a murderer, or even if you failed to reasonably secure your weapon and it was stolen, then by common morality and even case law, you bear some responsibility.[1] [1] https://archive.ph/66H7Q https://archive.ph/66H7Q
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > These parts weren't stolen. We actually don't know that, yet. > And if you sold a weapon to a murderer, or even if you failed to reasonably secure your weapon and it was stolen There's no indication either of these things happened, either. As the article says: "There is no evidence suggesting that any of those companies are running afoul of US sanctions laws and knowingly exporting their technology to be used in the drones. Even with many companies promising increased monitoring, controlling where these highly ubiquitous parts end up in the global market is often very difficult for manufacturers, experts told CNN." The part pictured is a TMS320F28335PGFA. You can get 'em in trays of 240 for $10/chip on Alibaba and any number of other places that a) aren't TI and b) don't care about US law.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      You're still missing the point like you can't hit the side of a barn. It has nothing whatsoever to do with American companies doing anything wrong or punishing them. America is punished. Trying to escape responsibility is utterly impossible. It already happened. American parts in wreckage of Russian drone strikes is undeniable. It's bad. Endlessly trying to make excuses is childish, narcissistic and callous.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > It has nothing whatsoever to do with American companies doing anything wrong or punishing them. OK, but you said this: > it makes those companies accessories to this illegal Russian war Is being an accessory to the Russian aggression not wrong? > American parts in wreckage of Russian drone strikes is undeniable. I mean, sure, but the Russians are using Ukranian-made arms and aircraft, too; that doesn't make the Ukranians complicit in the Russian aggression. Ukraine used to be a major arms supplier to the entire Soviet and post-Soviet sphere of influence. Your standard for "responsibility" is bizarre. The balance of US involvement in Ukraine is extremely heavily on the side of good, and it'd stay that way even if TI had knowingly had anything to do with these drones.
      - nradov 4y ago
        Nonsense. The US isn't being punished.

ceejayoz 4y ago

If you steal a knife from my house, and stab someone with it, am I an accessory to the crime because it's my knife? No. Texas Instruments isn't at fault if someone buys their chips legally, but turns around and resells them to the Russians. That'd be an insane standard to set, both ethically and legally. If an American company is deliberately selling components to Russia, by all means, nail them to the wall for violating sanctions. That's not what has happened here, though.

Maursault 4y ago
> If you steal a knife from my house, and stab someone with it, am I an accessory to the crime because it's my knife? No. You are employing the fallacy of poor analogy. These parts weren't stolen. And if you sold a weapon to a murderer, or even if you failed to reasonably secure your weapon and it was stolen, then by common morality and even case law, you bear some responsibility.[1] [1] https://archive.ph/66H7Q https://archive.ph/66H7Q
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > These parts weren't stolen. We actually don't know that, yet. > And if you sold a weapon to a murderer, or even if you failed to reasonably secure your weapon and it was stolen There's no indication either of these things happened, either. As the article says: "There is no evidence suggesting that any of those companies are running afoul of US sanctions laws and knowingly exporting their technology to be used in the drones. Even with many companies promising increased monitoring, controlling where these highly ubiquitous parts end up in the global market is often very difficult for manufacturers, experts told CNN." The part pictured is a TMS320F28335PGFA. You can get 'em in trays of 240 for $10/chip on Alibaba and any number of other places that a) aren't TI and b) don't care about US law.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    You're still missing the point like you can't hit the side of a barn. It has nothing whatsoever to do with American companies doing anything wrong or punishing them. America is punished. Trying to escape responsibility is utterly impossible. It already happened. American parts in wreckage of Russian drone strikes is undeniable. It's bad. Endlessly trying to make excuses is childish, narcissistic and callous.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      > It has nothing whatsoever to do with American companies doing anything wrong or punishing them. OK, but you said this: > it makes those companies accessories to this illegal Russian war Is being an accessory to the Russian aggression not wrong? > American parts in wreckage of Russian drone strikes is undeniable. I mean, sure, but the Russians are using Ukranian-made arms and aircraft, too; that doesn't make the Ukranians complicit in the Russian aggression. Ukraine used to be a major arms supplier to the entire Soviet and post-Soviet sphere of influence. Your standard for "responsibility" is bizarre. The balance of US involvement in Ukraine is extremely heavily on the side of good, and it'd stay that way even if TI had knowingly had anything to do with these drones.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Nonsense. The US isn't being punished.