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Purchasers and users of US made parts are obligated to sign a contract that prohibits them from trading with North Korea and Iran (and Cuba?). That includes se

Purchasers and users of US made parts are obligated to sign a contract that prohibits them from trading with North Korea and Iran (and Cuba?). That includes selling your iPhone.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Cool. How enforcable is that contract in China on a non-American citizen operating a company that only exists for a few weeks on paper to facilitate the transaction? How hard would it be for Iran to open a shell company in third-party country like, say, Iraq to mask the transaction?
- deleted 4y ago
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- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Not very. And the second you arrest a Chinese exec involved with that, China will arrest some of your citizens and await your call for the exchange. Even more fun when the US gets another country to do the arresting dirty work. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meng-wanzhou-us-court-1.6188093 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meng-wanzhou-us-court-1.618...
- nashashmi 4y ago
  Several years back, a company in China got in trouble for selling US controlled technology to Iran. The company ended up getting sanctioned. It was not until they changed the board, CEO, and other offices and paid a bunch of fees, that the company was able to operate freely again. The sanctions got so bad, that the company could not repair their toilets anymore. I believe it was Xiaomi. Edit: Not Xiaomi, it was ZTE. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-cut-ties-with-china-s-zte.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-c...
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    You're thinking of Huawei. They're doing fine: https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-huawei-sees-2022-revenue-6369-bln-yuan-report-2022-12-30/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-huawei-sees-2022-r...
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      I was thinking of ZTE. CA 2012. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-cut-ties-with-china-s-zte.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-c...
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
I live in europe, and I bought many US chips (eg TI ones)... your regulation means nothing here, and i didn't sign any contract. You can literally go to a physical store and buy them off the shelf.
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  How much can you buy and ship to NK until it raises a flag somewhere ?
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    NK is different.. you cannot even travel there normally without going through an agency. But iran.. I don't know what their customs rules are but if you pay import fees, probably unlimited amounts. How much you can buy? A lot.. eg. 10k voltage regulators is such a common order size, that they have a predefined lowered price even in online stores (without having to contact sales): eg: https://si.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/l78l05acutr/v-reg-5-0v-smd-sot-89-3-7805/dp/1366573?st=7805 https://si.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/l78l05acutr/v-reg-...
    - johnchristopher 4y ago
      Sorry, my dumb-ass brain somehow pictured you walking in a supermarket, buying a bunch of TI calculators to rip off the interesting parts and ship them. Totally misread the conversation.
      - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
        Haha, no no, TI makes components too, and sells them by the thousands+ even to small customers :)
kube-system 4y ago
That only affects the first purchaser. Once it's available from a street vendor in Shenzhen, anyone can get it.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Purchasers and users of US made parts are obligated to sign a contract that prohibits them from trading with North Korea This is some kind of fantasy? I can go to a million websites or into a store with cash and I can buy microchips for $0.08 without signing any contract. What's next, you are going to keep track of nuts and bolts? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Original-In-Stock-GD32F130K8U6-QFN_1600676544577.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.29ec2e0aRPqI5H&s=p https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Original-In-Stock... https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lumissil/IS31CS8977-QFLS2-TR?qs=Znm5pLBrcAJGieF8PCPwjg%3D%3D https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lumissil/IS31CS8977-QFLS...
- nashashmi 4y ago
  It might be fantasy or it might be the mighty reach of the US government. The US has a trade org that controls EVERYTHING about materials made with US licensed or US developed technology. I think it is the US International Trade Commission.

Purchasers and users of US made parts are obligated to sign a contract that prohibits them from trading with North Korea and Iran (and Cuba?). That includes selling your iPhone.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Cool. How enforcable is that contract in China on a non-American citizen operating a company that only exists for a few weeks on paper to facilitate the transaction? How hard would it be for Iran to open a shell company in third-party country like, say, Iraq to mask the transaction?

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Scoundreller 4y ago
Not very. And the second you arrest a Chinese exec involved with that, China will arrest some of your citizens and await your call for the exchange. Even more fun when the US gets another country to do the arresting dirty work. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meng-wanzhou-us-court-1.6188093 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meng-wanzhou-us-court-1.618...
nashashmi 4y ago
Several years back, a company in China got in trouble for selling US controlled technology to Iran. The company ended up getting sanctioned. It was not until they changed the board, CEO, and other offices and paid a bunch of fees, that the company was able to operate freely again. The sanctions got so bad, that the company could not repair their toilets anymore. I believe it was Xiaomi. Edit: Not Xiaomi, it was ZTE. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-cut-ties-with-china-s-zte.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-c...
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  You're thinking of Huawei. They're doing fine: https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-huawei-sees-2022-revenue-6369-bln-yuan-report-2022-12-30/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinas-huawei-sees-2022-r...
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    I was thinking of ZTE. CA 2012. https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-cut-ties-with-china-s-zte.html https://www.networkworld.com/article/2160515/cisco-said-to-c...

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

I live in europe, and I bought many US chips (eg TI ones)... your regulation means nothing here, and i didn't sign any contract. You can literally go to a physical store and buy them off the shelf.

johnchristopher 4y ago
How much can you buy and ship to NK until it raises a flag somewhere ?
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  NK is different.. you cannot even travel there normally without going through an agency. But iran.. I don't know what their customs rules are but if you pay import fees, probably unlimited amounts. How much you can buy? A lot.. eg. 10k voltage regulators is such a common order size, that they have a predefined lowered price even in online stores (without having to contact sales): eg: https://si.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/l78l05acutr/v-reg-5-0v-smd-sot-89-3-7805/dp/1366573?st=7805 https://si.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/l78l05acutr/v-reg-...
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    Sorry, my dumb-ass brain somehow pictured you walking in a supermarket, buying a bunch of TI calculators to rip off the interesting parts and ship them. Totally misread the conversation.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      Haha, no no, TI makes components too, and sells them by the thousands+ even to small customers :)

kube-system 4y ago

That only affects the first purchaser. Once it's available from a street vendor in Shenzhen, anyone can get it.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> Purchasers and users of US made parts are obligated to sign a contract that prohibits them from trading with North Korea This is some kind of fantasy? I can go to a million websites or into a store with cash and I can buy microchips for $0.08 without signing any contract. What's next, you are going to keep track of nuts and bolts? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Original-In-Stock-GD32F130K8U6-QFN_1600676544577.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.29ec2e0aRPqI5H&s=p https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Original-In-Stock... https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lumissil/IS31CS8977-QFLS2-TR?qs=Znm5pLBrcAJGieF8PCPwjg%3D%3D https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lumissil/IS31CS8977-QFLS...

nashashmi 4y ago
It might be fantasy or it might be the mighty reach of the US government. The US has a trade org that controls EVERYTHING about materials made with US licensed or US developed technology. I think it is the US International Trade Commission.