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So (((disfigured feet))) in the linked prompt means the feet are Jewish, and it's not about increasing the term weight? Thanks, I learned something new today.

smcl 4y ago
Well if there was a person called "disfigured feet" who was Jewish, and you always referred to their name in triple-parens (and for some reason you repeatedly tweeted a bunch of Jewish people, always with the triple-parens) then yes this would be an good indication that you were using it as an anti-semitic dogwhistle. However the GP was careful to note that context is important here. I've no idea about term weights in these AI prompts, but you seem to so if varying levels of parenthesis is common to denote a weight then you can simply say so without the snark.
- oefrha 4y ago
  Context is important in theory, but it certainly didn’t stop dijit from deciding that (((disfigured feet))), which they did not quote, was “pretty disgusting”. In this climate, it takes one Twitter personality with a lot of followers to tweet out a “look at this racist” tweet with very vague references to your crimes, and that’s it, you’re a racist to a huge number of people who will probably never look beyond that single tweet. Good luck convincing 20% of them that you’re in fact innocent afterwards. Edit: Years ago when I was part of a high profile open source project, I was once privately accused of being intolerant towards trans people. It happened after I sharply criticized some trans person's backwards-incompatible PR (which later proved to be pretty bad after being merged despite objections). I had no idea of the person's gender before the accusation, nor did I care after learning about it; they were simply an Internet handle to me. I also never used slurs towards any group. Looking back I'm just glad I wasn't shamed publicly.
  - smcl 4y ago
    I have no idea who this "dijit" is, if you're upset with them you should tweet at them. I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know that if you were to refer to me as "(((smcl)))" somewhere you are making the statement "hey smcl, I know you're Jewish. I want you to know that, and I want my little alt-right friends to know that too..." edit: ok so digit is one of the people further down the thread, I'm not good with names edit2: To respond to your edit, that sucks and I sympathise. I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the fact that when you're on the internet you're now exposed to thousands of different people who don't already know what kind of person you are, who misread and misinterpret remarks or who might have just had a shitty day and want to take it out on someone. Hell I'm one of those left-liberal, pro-lgbtq+, pro-feminist guys and I've had experience like yours very recently. I'd replied to a comment on FB where someone complained that some public works project cost X million euros, and said that non-engineers like us don't tend to have a good idea what such projects should cost - got a very angry reply along the lines of "Oh just because I'm a girl I get scared around big numbers? Girls can't do maths or engineering? ...". I had no idea what their gender was, the name was "Alex" and their profile pic was some anime or something :) It happens, it's frustrating and somewhere in my city there's a girl called Alex who either thinks I'm some misogyny bro or feels a bit silly for flying off the handle at me. It's the internet, [shrug] what can you do :)
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      > I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know I'm a person on HN. I didn't know that. It's pretty esoteric, and that's coming from someone who's APL-curious. But then, I don't spend any of my time reading alt-right or anti-alt-right blogs.
      - smcl 4y ago
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        luckylion 4y ago
        There's no reasonable, understandable way to see (raised long fluffy tail), (((detailed face))), (((detailed amber eyes))), (((disfigured feet))), ((extra limbs)), (((water marks))), ((captions)), ((text)), (((feral))) and come away with "I guess it's that Twitter thing". Really, no, let's not cast away all reason just to taste the sweet fruit of outrage.
        smcl 4y ago
        Ok someone mistook these things on GitHub for antisemitism - that was an error. However other people wondered what the triple parens meant, and you mocked the idea that right wingers use it with a wink and a nudge to identify Jewish people. Slightly lacking in taste, but you do you
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago
    1. Each set of parentheses adds 10% to the weighting of the term in a stable diffusion prompt 2. That particular term is in the negative prompt, signaling the model to avoid inclusion of matches for that in the produced images. Context does matter.
tasuki 4y ago
It is in the "Negative prompt", so they really don't want disfigured feet.
- heelix 4y ago
  For those wondering why - hands and feet are typically the bits that are usually rendered wrong. You can get a lovely face, body, spaceship, etc - but the odds of getting six+ fingers or toes is very high with most models. Common to point that out to the AI, at this stage in the game.
- luckylion 4y ago
  Yes, but that's not the point. Some people seem to think that the three parentheses are an antisemitic dog-whistle and cannot believe it could be used for something else like setting weights in a prompt.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  What's worse is that the emphasis of the prompt is on feet (an overwhelming common fetish) It makes (((PERFECT))) sense that a person with a foot fetish would want an accurate foot. However, we live in a world with so many people that anything (and I truly mean anything) will be taken as offensive by at least one person.
ewalk153 4y ago
Note: (((disfigured feet))) falls in the negative prompt section meaning “don’t do this”. I suspect this is a technique to correct some artifacts.

smcl 4y ago

Well if there was a person called "disfigured feet" who was Jewish, and you always referred to their name in triple-parens (and for some reason you repeatedly tweeted a bunch of Jewish people, always with the triple-parens) then yes this would be an good indication that you were using it as an anti-semitic dogwhistle. However the GP was careful to note that context is important here. I've no idea about term weights in these AI prompts, but you seem to so if varying levels of parenthesis is common to denote a weight then you can simply say so without the snark.

oefrha 4y ago
Context is important in theory, but it certainly didn’t stop dijit from deciding that (((disfigured feet))), which they did not quote, was “pretty disgusting”. In this climate, it takes one Twitter personality with a lot of followers to tweet out a “look at this racist” tweet with very vague references to your crimes, and that’s it, you’re a racist to a huge number of people who will probably never look beyond that single tweet. Good luck convincing 20% of them that you’re in fact innocent afterwards. Edit: Years ago when I was part of a high profile open source project, I was once privately accused of being intolerant towards trans people. It happened after I sharply criticized some trans person's backwards-incompatible PR (which later proved to be pretty bad after being merged despite objections). I had no idea of the person's gender before the accusation, nor did I care after learning about it; they were simply an Internet handle to me. I also never used slurs towards any group. Looking back I'm just glad I wasn't shamed publicly.
- smcl 4y ago
  I have no idea who this "dijit" is, if you're upset with them you should tweet at them. I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know that if you were to refer to me as "(((smcl)))" somewhere you are making the statement "hey smcl, I know you're Jewish. I want you to know that, and I want my little alt-right friends to know that too..." edit: ok so digit is one of the people further down the thread, I'm not good with names edit2: To respond to your edit, that sucks and I sympathise. I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the fact that when you're on the internet you're now exposed to thousands of different people who don't already know what kind of person you are, who misread and misinterpret remarks or who might have just had a shitty day and want to take it out on someone. Hell I'm one of those left-liberal, pro-lgbtq+, pro-feminist guys and I've had experience like yours very recently. I'd replied to a comment on FB where someone complained that some public works project cost X million euros, and said that non-engineers like us don't tend to have a good idea what such projects should cost - got a very angry reply along the lines of "Oh just because I'm a girl I get scared around big numbers? Girls can't do maths or engineering? ...". I had no idea what their gender was, the name was "Alex" and their profile pic was some anime or something :) It happens, it's frustrating and somewhere in my city there's a girl called Alex who either thinks I'm some misogyny bro or feels a bit silly for flying off the handle at me. It's the internet, [shrug] what can you do :)
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    > I'm talking about a handful of people on HN pretending not to know I'm a person on HN. I didn't know that. It's pretty esoteric, and that's coming from someone who's APL-curious. But then, I don't spend any of my time reading alt-right or anti-alt-right blogs.
    - smcl 4y ago
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      - luckylion 4y ago
        There's no reasonable, understandable way to see (raised long fluffy tail), (((detailed face))), (((detailed amber eyes))), (((disfigured feet))), ((extra limbs)), (((water marks))), ((captions)), ((text)), (((feral))) and come away with "I guess it's that Twitter thing". Really, no, let's not cast away all reason just to taste the sweet fruit of outrage.
        smcl 4y ago
        Ok someone mistook these things on GitHub for antisemitism - that was an error. However other people wondered what the triple parens meant, and you mocked the idea that right wingers use it with a wink and a nudge to identify Jewish people. Slightly lacking in taste, but you do you
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  1. Each set of parentheses adds 10% to the weighting of the term in a stable diffusion prompt 2. That particular term is in the negative prompt, signaling the model to avoid inclusion of matches for that in the produced images. Context does matter.

tasuki 4y ago

It is in the "Negative prompt", so they really don't want disfigured feet.

heelix 4y ago
For those wondering why - hands and feet are typically the bits that are usually rendered wrong. You can get a lovely face, body, spaceship, etc - but the odds of getting six+ fingers or toes is very high with most models. Common to point that out to the AI, at this stage in the game.
luckylion 4y ago
Yes, but that's not the point. Some people seem to think that the three parentheses are an antisemitic dog-whistle and cannot believe it could be used for something else like setting weights in a prompt.
iinnPP 4y ago
What's worse is that the emphasis of the prompt is on feet (an overwhelming common fetish) It makes (((PERFECT))) sense that a person with a foot fetish would want an accurate foot. However, we live in a world with so many people that anything (and I truly mean anything) will be taken as offensive by at least one person.

ewalk153 4y ago

Note: (((disfigured feet))) falls in the negative prompt section meaning “don’t do this”. I suspect this is a technique to correct some artifacts.