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Down's Syndrome is also unhealthy. Should we stigmatize that also? The main issue is control. Many assume that weight is simple and under people's full contr

Down's Syndrome is also unhealthy. Should we stigmatize that also? The main issue is control. Many assume that weight is simple and under people's full control. Realistically, though, there are all kinds of reasons why weight gain happens and scientific measurement shows that wild animals are getting bigger too which suggests that pervasive presence of endocrine disrupting agents in the environment may be involved. It is not clear how we might stigmatize exposure to endocrine disruptors.

abcc8 4y ago
It is rather dishonest to compare a chromosomal disorder with obesity, don't you think? Trisomy 21 is a condition one is born with and has no control over. On the other hand it has been demonstrated time and time again that behavioral and diet changes can be used to control obesity.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
Weight is not uncontrollable. It's not easy to control, but neither is any other addiction, and they're certainly stigmatized.
- m0llusk 4y ago
  Could you link to a peer reviewed study concluding that? Just to point out one potentially complicating factor Dr. Robert Lustig's work appears to show that our diets increasingly include processed foods which are strongly associated with health problems including weight gain and metabolic disease. So if you can completely avoid institutional food such as served at company canteens and figure out and stick to a good diet then maybe. Even then it seems like the stigma is just sloppiness that results in perfectly respectable contributions to society not being recognized. Early on I made a habit out of becoming friends with fat people I met because their exposure to social stigma tended to make them strong as individuals. If anything it seems like the person who is addicted to something that should be stigmatized is you.
  - poszlem 4y ago
    Could you link to a peer reviewed study concluding that it's impossible to lose weight similarly to how it's impossible to get rid of an additional chromosome? Asking because as a person who has lost a lot of weight (and kept it off) I would like to get them to reconsider their review process.
  - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
    I'm obese. Most people my age at my work are not obese. I managed to get back to normal weight pre-pandemic by IF (16:8) and ~1hr a day of walking. Various things have lead to me eating/drinking (alcohol) to excess and becoming more overweight than ever. My long-winded point is that it seems specifically to be my personal actions that have caused my obesity -- poor food choices and lack of exercise. Others from the same background, others at the same workplace, etc., are not obese. I would hate anyone to start telling me being fat is OK and that I shouldn't bother to do anything about it.
joshuahedlund 4y ago
> scientific measurement shows that wild animals are getting bigger too which suggests that pervasive presence of endocrine disrupting agents in the environment may be involved Do you have a good source for this?
Cupertino95014 4y ago
And here you are, using the very word I called grifting. It's not "stigmatizing" to call something unhealthy which is, at least potentially, controllable. And you cited no information at all about "endocrine disruptors" for the vast majority of obese people.

abcc8 4y ago

It is rather dishonest to compare a chromosomal disorder with obesity, don't you think? Trisomy 21 is a condition one is born with and has no control over. On the other hand it has been demonstrated time and time again that behavioral and diet changes can be used to control obesity.

HDThoreaun 4y ago

Weight is not uncontrollable. It's not easy to control, but neither is any other addiction, and they're certainly stigmatized.

m0llusk 4y ago
Could you link to a peer reviewed study concluding that? Just to point out one potentially complicating factor Dr. Robert Lustig's work appears to show that our diets increasingly include processed foods which are strongly associated with health problems including weight gain and metabolic disease. So if you can completely avoid institutional food such as served at company canteens and figure out and stick to a good diet then maybe. Even then it seems like the stigma is just sloppiness that results in perfectly respectable contributions to society not being recognized. Early on I made a habit out of becoming friends with fat people I met because their exposure to social stigma tended to make them strong as individuals. If anything it seems like the person who is addicted to something that should be stigmatized is you.
- poszlem 4y ago
  Could you link to a peer reviewed study concluding that it's impossible to lose weight similarly to how it's impossible to get rid of an additional chromosome? Asking because as a person who has lost a lot of weight (and kept it off) I would like to get them to reconsider their review process.
- pbhjpbhj 4y ago
  I'm obese. Most people my age at my work are not obese. I managed to get back to normal weight pre-pandemic by IF (16:8) and ~1hr a day of walking. Various things have lead to me eating/drinking (alcohol) to excess and becoming more overweight than ever. My long-winded point is that it seems specifically to be my personal actions that have caused my obesity -- poor food choices and lack of exercise. Others from the same background, others at the same workplace, etc., are not obese. I would hate anyone to start telling me being fat is OK and that I shouldn't bother to do anything about it.

joshuahedlund 4y ago

> scientific measurement shows that wild animals are getting bigger too which suggests that pervasive presence of endocrine disrupting agents in the environment may be involved Do you have a good source for this?

Cupertino95014 4y ago

And here you are, using the very word I called grifting. It's not "stigmatizing" to call something unhealthy which is, at least potentially, controllable. And you cited no information at all about "endocrine disruptors" for the vast majority of obese people.