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I mean, I don’t disagree with the general point of being privacy focused as a default. Yes, that should be everyone’s approach given that we don’t openly share

I mean, I don’t disagree with the general point of being privacy focused as a default. Yes, that should be everyone’s approach given that we don’t openly share in real life. However, I do find it hilarious in a rather childish way that you are surprised how people react to your opinion on incest. Of all opinions, why even use that as an example? It just shows that there simply is an issue of over sharing and not being able to read the fucking room “ Just to give an example, I couldnt care less about people engaging in incest and find it just an old cultural taboo. Adults are responsible enough to know about the dangers of having children and they can do whatever they want.” You know what I get from your opinion? That you are ok with adults abusing children they are related to. Even if that’s not your point, you have to at least recognize that’s gonna be a generally unpopular opinion unless you tend to hang out with pedophiles. So, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

alienbeast 4y ago
OP never said anything about pedophilia, just incest between consenting adults. I guess you proved his point.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  Most incest happening in the world is not done between consenting adults. It is done through rape of children. Leaving that out may be construed as a way to shift of the overton window on incest.
  - Hizonner 4y ago
    You can, of course, point to reliable statistics on that, collected and analyzed using defensible methods. Right? I suspect that you are wrong, and that most incest happens between same-age adolescent or young adult siblings (and even more between cousins if you count cousins). But I don't have any actual data to back that up either, and would be amazed if any worthwhile data even exist.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens 34% of reported sexual assault on children take place by family members.
      - Hizonner 4y ago
        ... which has exactly zero bearing on the question.
        nickthegreek 4y ago
        Let me make sure I got this right... I make a statement about how a lot of incest is due to rape. You cannot fathom that and ask for stats. I provide them from a child abuse organization that also links to the underlying government statistics. You respond with it's irrelevant. You are not arguing in good faith.
        Hizonner 4y ago
        The word you used was "most", not "a lot". Even "a lot" could reasonably be treated as having been a statement about the proportion, but it would not have been a precise enough statement to argue about. And "a lot" could also be treated as talking about an absolute number, in which case the question of whether something was "a lot" would be a total matter of personal opinion. "Most", on the other hand, has a very clear meaning in terms of relative numbers... which that RAINN link does nothing to support. "Arguing in good faith" includes not trying to quietly rewrite your position in the middle.
        nickthegreek 4y ago
        Even now you refuse to engage on my original position. My original position was that leaving out the very real issue of rape when it comes to incest could be construed as trying to move the overton window. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word most, but instead, at least 1/3 of all reported child abuse is done by family. This stat should easily backup my original position that incest and rape are intrinsically linked. You cannot ignore this when discussing incest on the internet.
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jeroenhd 4y ago
> You know what I get from your opinion? That you are ok with adults abusing children they are related to. Even if that’s not your point, you have to at least recognize that’s gonna be a generally unpopular opinion unless you tend to hang out with pedophiles. That's not even close to what OP stated. What are you talking about?
- than3 4y ago
  > That's not even close to what OP stated. Exactly, but that goes to show how conditioned/indoctrinated some people can be and its not their fault. Its not like defenses against indoctrination or subversion are taught in K-12 (school), its more the other way around. People see one thing and act like you say something else, when you didn't. Its an irrational state often found in demoralization which is a goal of subversive propaganda. Its often referred to as trigger associations, and quite a lot of people have these thanks to no regulation of subversive content over the years. Those people are being irrational, and you can't argue with someone or something that doesn't reason. Honestly if they were intelligent, they'd strive to identify and remove those triggers through systematic desensitization. The fact that you can't rationally communicate on a subject you disagree with is a pretty good test for those associations. Most people don't have the self-awareness to do this though largely because if they did, they wouldn't be in that state to begin with, at least some would argue that. Its important to read what was said, and then react rationally, and respond to what was actually said. If you can't talk, then you can't think. Its a necessary requirement for intelligence and critical thought. Just because you talk to someone doens't mean you have to agree with them, not even in the slightest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoralization_(warfare) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoralization_(warfare).
flippinburgers 4y ago
First of all, I'm not ok with incest in principle. However, they stated that they are talking about incest between adults. Nothing to do with abusing children.
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alienbeast 4y ago

OP never said anything about pedophilia, just incest between consenting adults. I guess you proved his point.

nickthegreek 4y ago
Most incest happening in the world is not done between consenting adults. It is done through rape of children. Leaving that out may be construed as a way to shift of the overton window on incest.
- Hizonner 4y ago
  You can, of course, point to reliable statistics on that, collected and analyzed using defensible methods. Right? I suspect that you are wrong, and that most incest happens between same-age adolescent or young adult siblings (and even more between cousins if you count cousins). But I don't have any actual data to back that up either, and would be amazed if any worthwhile data even exist.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens 34% of reported sexual assault on children take place by family members.
    - Hizonner 4y ago
      ... which has exactly zero bearing on the question.
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        Let me make sure I got this right... I make a statement about how a lot of incest is due to rape. You cannot fathom that and ask for stats. I provide them from a child abuse organization that also links to the underlying government statistics. You respond with it's irrelevant. You are not arguing in good faith.
        Hizonner 4y ago
        The word you used was "most", not "a lot". Even "a lot" could reasonably be treated as having been a statement about the proportion, but it would not have been a precise enough statement to argue about. And "a lot" could also be treated as talking about an absolute number, in which case the question of whether something was "a lot" would be a total matter of personal opinion. "Most", on the other hand, has a very clear meaning in terms of relative numbers... which that RAINN link does nothing to support. "Arguing in good faith" includes not trying to quietly rewrite your position in the middle.
        nickthegreek 4y ago
        Even now you refuse to engage on my original position. My original position was that leaving out the very real issue of rape when it comes to incest could be construed as trying to move the overton window. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word most, but instead, at least 1/3 of all reported child abuse is done by family. This stat should easily backup my original position that incest and rape are intrinsically linked. You cannot ignore this when discussing incest on the internet.
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jeroenhd 4y ago

> You know what I get from your opinion? That you are ok with adults abusing children they are related to. Even if that’s not your point, you have to at least recognize that’s gonna be a generally unpopular opinion unless you tend to hang out with pedophiles. That's not even close to what OP stated. What are you talking about?

than3 4y ago
> That's not even close to what OP stated. Exactly, but that goes to show how conditioned/indoctrinated some people can be and its not their fault. Its not like defenses against indoctrination or subversion are taught in K-12 (school), its more the other way around. People see one thing and act like you say something else, when you didn't. Its an irrational state often found in demoralization which is a goal of subversive propaganda. Its often referred to as trigger associations, and quite a lot of people have these thanks to no regulation of subversive content over the years. Those people are being irrational, and you can't argue with someone or something that doesn't reason. Honestly if they were intelligent, they'd strive to identify and remove those triggers through systematic desensitization. The fact that you can't rationally communicate on a subject you disagree with is a pretty good test for those associations. Most people don't have the self-awareness to do this though largely because if they did, they wouldn't be in that state to begin with, at least some would argue that. Its important to read what was said, and then react rationally, and respond to what was actually said. If you can't talk, then you can't think. Its a necessary requirement for intelligence and critical thought. Just because you talk to someone doens't mean you have to agree with them, not even in the slightest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoralization_(warfare) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoralization_(warfare).

flippinburgers 4y ago

First of all, I'm not ok with incest in principle. However, they stated that they are talking about incest between adults. Nothing to do with abusing children.

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