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The people that are responsible for writing a law like that want to make encryption illegal to make law enforcement easier, with no thought whatsoever to the ob

The people that are responsible for writing a law like that want to make encryption illegal to make law enforcement easier, with no thought whatsoever to the obvious everyday security implications of doing so. There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers.

marcosdumay 4y ago
> There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers. I bet after we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, they will. And then they will claim nobody could predict it.
- bigiain 4y ago
  "Nobody could predict it!!!" https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70c5f7b22f34 https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70... ;-)
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  > we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, Depends how you define reach. I can't buy dynamite without a bunch of onerous license requirements thanks to a variety of 70s "activists". I can't buy a bunch of fertilizer without getting on a list because the FBI doesn't like when people make them crispy. I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. So a nation of 300+mil has already been "reached" by plenty of terrorists if you count putting up with not directly violent but inconvenient BS.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. Why would anyone call overseas (i.e., using voice service with a "phone number") in this day and age anyway? Anyone with half a brain knows to use chat apps and their voice-calling (or video-calling) functions to talk to their friends overseas.
    - jjeaff 4y ago
      Most banks, embassies, and other businesses do not have a zoom link you can call to take care of business.
      - midoridensha 4y ago
        Unless you're doing this for work which involves international relations, why would you ever need to call such places outside your own country? I live outside my home country and have never needed to make an international call.
        andylynch 4y ago
        Depends on what you’re doing and where you are. eg working in finance in Europe a /lot/ of your partners are international - and even though there are sometimes options other than PSTN, odds are your company will record conversations regardless of whether it’s on a desk phone or an app.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        Again, you keep talking about work. I'm not talking about work, I'm talking about personal use. If companies want to waste money on per-minute international phone charges, that's their problem. Most regular people are smart enough to avoid this stupidity and use a chat app these days.
        jjeaff 4y ago
        I've had to call the embassy for visa/passport issues. Also, I had to call for issues with an international bank account I had.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        >I've had to call the embassy for visa/passport issues. Why on earth would you do this? Your country's embassy is a local phone call, in whatever country you're in. Your embassy isn't in your home country, it's in the country you're now present in (geographically at least, but not legally, but the phone number is still a local number). Also, this stuff can usually be handled online these days.

marcosdumay 4y ago

> There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers. I bet after we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, they will. And then they will claim nobody could predict it.

bigiain 4y ago
"Nobody could predict it!!!" https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70c5f7b22f34 https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70... ;-)
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
> we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, Depends how you define reach. I can't buy dynamite without a bunch of onerous license requirements thanks to a variety of 70s "activists". I can't buy a bunch of fertilizer without getting on a list because the FBI doesn't like when people make them crispy. I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. So a nation of 300+mil has already been "reached" by plenty of terrorists if you count putting up with not directly violent but inconvenient BS.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. Why would anyone call overseas (i.e., using voice service with a "phone number") in this day and age anyway? Anyone with half a brain knows to use chat apps and their voice-calling (or video-calling) functions to talk to their friends overseas.
  - jjeaff 4y ago
    Most banks, embassies, and other businesses do not have a zoom link you can call to take care of business.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      Unless you're doing this for work which involves international relations, why would you ever need to call such places outside your own country? I live outside my home country and have never needed to make an international call.
      - andylynch 4y ago
        Depends on what you’re doing and where you are. eg working in finance in Europe a /lot/ of your partners are international - and even though there are sometimes options other than PSTN, odds are your company will record conversations regardless of whether it’s on a desk phone or an app.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        Again, you keep talking about work. I'm not talking about work, I'm talking about personal use. If companies want to waste money on per-minute international phone charges, that's their problem. Most regular people are smart enough to avoid this stupidity and use a chat app these days.
        jjeaff 4y ago
        I've had to call the embassy for visa/passport issues. Also, I had to call for issues with an international bank account I had.
        midoridensha 4y ago
        >I've had to call the embassy for visa/passport issues. Why on earth would you do this? Your country's embassy is a local phone call, in whatever country you're in. Your embassy isn't in your home country, it's in the country you're now present in (geographically at least, but not legally, but the phone number is still a local number). Also, this stuff can usually be handled online these days.