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Would love to see a regulatory requirement for a physical off switch for vehicle network connectivity. Probably won't happen though.

berjin 4y ago
The problem is that the power thirsty law makers aren't much different than hackers since they also want access to everything.
zzz345345 4y ago
That or guides that walk you through the process of destroying wireless capabilities.
luxuryballs 4y ago
ironically they just passed a law in the US that will require all new vehicles to have a remote kill switch added by the manufacturer https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/29/barr-bidens-infrastructure-bill-contains-backdoor-kill-switch-for-cars/ https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/29/barr-bidens-infrastructur...
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  Really wonder how long it will take before you can't renew your vehicle registration unless your older vehicle has been "upgraded" to include such a kill switch?
- jimt1234 4y ago
  I can't wait until some junior dev pushes a change to the system and shuts down all 2026+ vehicles, sorta like a nationwide "carmageddon" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)#%22Carmageddon%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)#%2...).
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Even if the devs don't accidentally flip the switch themselves, they'll screw up the implementation so some enterprising hacker will be able to do it.
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cuddlyogre 4y ago
The people that are responsible for writing a law like that want to make encryption illegal to make law enforcement easier, with no thought whatsoever to the obvious everyday security implications of doing so. There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  > There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers. I bet after we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, they will. And then they will claim nobody could predict it.
  - bigiain 4y ago
    "Nobody could predict it!!!" https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70c5f7b22f34 https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70... ;-)
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    > we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, Depends how you define reach. I can't buy dynamite without a bunch of onerous license requirements thanks to a variety of 70s "activists". I can't buy a bunch of fertilizer without getting on a list because the FBI doesn't like when people make them crispy. I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. So a nation of 300+mil has already been "reached" by plenty of terrorists if you count putting up with not directly violent but inconvenient BS.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      >I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. Why would anyone call overseas (i.e., using voice service with a "phone number") in this day and age anyway? Anyone with half a brain knows to use chat apps and their voice-calling (or video-calling) functions to talk to their friends overseas.

berjin 4y ago

The problem is that the power thirsty law makers aren't much different than hackers since they also want access to everything.

zzz345345 4y ago

That or guides that walk you through the process of destroying wireless capabilities.

luxuryballs 4y ago

ironically they just passed a law in the US that will require all new vehicles to have a remote kill switch added by the manufacturer https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/29/barr-bidens-infrastructure-bill-contains-backdoor-kill-switch-for-cars/ https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/29/barr-bidens-infrastructur...

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Really wonder how long it will take before you can't renew your vehicle registration unless your older vehicle has been "upgraded" to include such a kill switch?
jimt1234 4y ago
I can't wait until some junior dev pushes a change to the system and shuts down all 2026+ vehicles, sorta like a nationwide "carmageddon" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)#%22Carmageddon%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_405_(California)#%2...).
- autoexec 4y ago
  Even if the devs don't accidentally flip the switch themselves, they'll screw up the implementation so some enterprising hacker will be able to do it.

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cuddlyogre 4y ago

The people that are responsible for writing a law like that want to make encryption illegal to make law enforcement easier, with no thought whatsoever to the obvious everyday security implications of doing so. There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers.

marcosdumay 4y ago
> There’s no way they would remove remote control functions in cars, regardless of the safety implications for the drivers. I bet after we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, they will. And then they will claim nobody could predict it.
- bigiain 4y ago
  "Nobody could predict it!!!" https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70c5f7b22f34 https://medium.com/@mpesce/the-great-hack-part-one-attack-70... ;-)
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  > we get the first terrorist act in history to reach millions of victims, Depends how you define reach. I can't buy dynamite without a bunch of onerous license requirements thanks to a variety of 70s "activists". I can't buy a bunch of fertilizer without getting on a list because the FBI doesn't like when people make them crispy. I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. So a nation of 300+mil has already been "reached" by plenty of terrorists if you count putting up with not directly violent but inconvenient BS.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >I can't call overseas without the metadata being recorded in perpetuity by the NSA because some terrorists hijacked some planes. Why would anyone call overseas (i.e., using voice service with a "phone number") in this day and age anyway? Anyone with half a brain knows to use chat apps and their voice-calling (or video-calling) functions to talk to their friends overseas.