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This is such an odd and entitled take for a person who is really trying hard not to care about python.

by _eht 4y ago

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CamperBob2 4y ago
It’s like my grandma complaining about the internet being slow... because her CPAP machine is tethered to the clinic with an IP connection and is shutting down every night at 2 AM because a Python script on the server at the other end is no longer running.
- _eht 4y ago
  I edited my comment before you hit post, but I’ll still reply to LOL at that. Think about what you just said for a sec. Then blame that on a python2.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    Laughing at your users is a sure path to unlimited success and good fortune as a developer, for sure.
    - _eht 4y ago
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        We've banned this account for repeatedly and egregiously breaking the site guidelines. Not cool. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
        _eht 4y ago
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tolmasky 4y ago
It's as if JavaScript had shipped a non-compatible update, browsers had on a magic day stopped supporting the old JavaScript, and all of a sudden her crossword website stopped working because that site's developer didn't update the JavaScript. This grandma sure complains a lot about broken websites for someone who supposedly doesn't know what JavaScript is. What an entitled grandma. Why doesn't she just build Linux from source and check out a previous release of the browser from git.
- _eht 4y ago
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  - tolmasky 4y ago
    That is precisely what happened: I don't write Python (grandma doesn't write JS). Python changed (JS changed). Environment stopped supporting the old one (browser for grandma, package manager for me). End-user apps didn't keep up (website for grandma, the apps for me). I am now forced to go resolve these issues. This is 100% analogous. Please explain how it is not. In both scenarios you would blame the "app developer" (in the Python case you would blame app/library developers for bad dev practices or whatever, in the hypothetical you would blame the website developer for not updating the crossword page), and the end-use for being entitled (in my case, the user of various apps that are broken, and the grandma using the crossword website). You supposed solution is that we should either not complain, or I guess, ironically, just learn the base systems better to be more on top of things so we can compensate for the bad dev practices ourselves. Also, I am not "trying hard" not to care about Python. I specifically said in my very first comment I go out of my way to avoid it now. I think that falls in the "cares" category. My default state is to not be aware of what language things are written in. I don't know if some given tool is written in C, bash, or JS. If I were to coincidentally learn what language it was written in, it might serve as a curiosity, but not really phase me either way. However, I was forced to become aware of a bunch of Python stuff since it started breaking, and then forced to learn about all the weird workarounds to get it working. Given that I was forced to repeatedly deal with dependency hell with apps in this language, I am now choosing to avoid it if I can in the future if I learn that an app is written in it.
carapace 4y ago
I prefer Hg over Git but I use Git. Why? One time I tried to use hg command and it didn't work. Why? I was on a system that had incompatible Python interpreter to the Hg scripts. That was it. Since then I use Git everywhere even though I prefer Hg.
- _eht 4y ago
  And one time I tried to install MS Office on my OpenBSD server. Can you guess what happened? Since then I only use Ed even though I prefer MS Office. What was your point again?
  - carapace 4y ago
    The point is that even though I like Python and Hg, a single snag like that is enough to tip the cost/benefit ratio in favor of C (egad!) and Git. (With a side dish of "I'm entitled to working tools.")
Nvorzula 4y ago
How is it odd and entitled for an end user to not like it when things suddenly break? That is, I believe, the entire point of the parent, is it not? That this whole migration was not quarantined to the Python developer community. That it spilled over to users in totally unrelated spaces.

This is such an odd and entitled take for a person who is really trying hard not to care about python.

by _eht 4y ago

This is such an odd and entitled take for a person who is really trying hard not to care about python.

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CamperBob2 4y ago

It’s like my grandma complaining about the internet being slow... because her CPAP machine is tethered to the clinic with an IP connection and is shutting down every night at 2 AM because a Python script on the server at the other end is no longer running.

_eht 4y ago
I edited my comment before you hit post, but I’ll still reply to LOL at that. Think about what you just said for a sec. Then blame that on a python2.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  Laughing at your users is a sure path to unlimited success and good fortune as a developer, for sure.
  - _eht 4y ago
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    - dang 4y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly and egregiously breaking the site guidelines. Not cool. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
      - _eht 4y ago
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tolmasky 4y ago

It's as if JavaScript had shipped a non-compatible update, browsers had on a magic day stopped supporting the old JavaScript, and all of a sudden her crossword website stopped working because that site's developer didn't update the JavaScript. This grandma sure complains a lot about broken websites for someone who supposedly doesn't know what JavaScript is. What an entitled grandma. Why doesn't she just build Linux from source and check out a previous release of the browser from git.

_eht 4y ago
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- tolmasky 4y ago
  That is precisely what happened: I don't write Python (grandma doesn't write JS). Python changed (JS changed). Environment stopped supporting the old one (browser for grandma, package manager for me). End-user apps didn't keep up (website for grandma, the apps for me). I am now forced to go resolve these issues. This is 100% analogous. Please explain how it is not. In both scenarios you would blame the "app developer" (in the Python case you would blame app/library developers for bad dev practices or whatever, in the hypothetical you would blame the website developer for not updating the crossword page), and the end-use for being entitled (in my case, the user of various apps that are broken, and the grandma using the crossword website). You supposed solution is that we should either not complain, or I guess, ironically, just learn the base systems better to be more on top of things so we can compensate for the bad dev practices ourselves. Also, I am not "trying hard" not to care about Python. I specifically said in my very first comment I go out of my way to avoid it now. I think that falls in the "cares" category. My default state is to not be aware of what language things are written in. I don't know if some given tool is written in C, bash, or JS. If I were to coincidentally learn what language it was written in, it might serve as a curiosity, but not really phase me either way. However, I was forced to become aware of a bunch of Python stuff since it started breaking, and then forced to learn about all the weird workarounds to get it working. Given that I was forced to repeatedly deal with dependency hell with apps in this language, I am now choosing to avoid it if I can in the future if I learn that an app is written in it.

carapace 4y ago

I prefer Hg over Git but I use Git. Why? One time I tried to use hg command and it didn't work. Why? I was on a system that had incompatible Python interpreter to the Hg scripts. That was it. Since then I use Git everywhere even though I prefer Hg.

_eht 4y ago
And one time I tried to install MS Office on my OpenBSD server. Can you guess what happened? Since then I only use Ed even though I prefer MS Office. What was your point again?
- carapace 4y ago
  The point is that even though I like Python and Hg, a single snag like that is enough to tip the cost/benefit ratio in favor of C (egad!) and Git. (With a side dish of "I'm entitled to working tools.")

Nvorzula 4y ago

How is it odd and entitled for an end user to not like it when things suddenly break? That is, I believe, the entire point of the parent, is it not? That this whole migration was not quarantined to the Python developer community. That it spilled over to users in totally unrelated spaces.