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> Maybe, there is a reluctance to accept that changes in lifestyle as opposed to pharmacological treatment can alter biological mechanisms. My doctor told me t

> Maybe, there is a reluctance to accept that changes in lifestyle as opposed to pharmacological treatment can alter biological mechanisms. My doctor told me that he doesn't recommend lifestyle changes for, e.g. diabetes, because patients ignore it. It seemed to annoy him when I chose low carb over metformin and glyburide and succeeded. I think that with him his policy was more because he was an agreeable type who did not want to be put in a position to have to hector his patients. But as a result he wasn't informing us well either. It was conflict avoidance rather than doubt as to biological mechanisms.

derbOac 4y ago
I worked in a setting where very similar arguments were raised (about a different medical issue) and I always wondered about conflicts of interest. In that case, recommending lifestyle changes instead would have meant undermining the financial rationale for the clinic.
nradov 4y ago
Virta Health has built a business around hectoring type-2 diabetes patients. And it works. Many of them have put the disease into remission and are no longer dependent on exogenous insulin. https://www.virtahealth.com/howitworks https://www.virtahealth.com/howitworks
jgilias 4y ago
By the way, if you have a metformin prescription you might want to take it regardless for longevity benefits: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-metformin-a-wonder-drug-202109222605 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-metformin-a-wonder-dr... Don’t drop the low-carb diet though!
Jtsummers 4y ago
If a doctor tells you they don't make proper recommendations because patients ignore it, you should get a different doctor. They're an honest doctor, but they're honestly telling you they don't care about their patients. I am currently dealing with that with my current doctor (I moved across the country so can't go to my former physician). But my previous primary care doctor actually thanked me for losing weight rather than just taking medication and calling it good. Apparently I was the only one to listen to his advice (I was also tired of getting winded on the stairs at the office).
TeMPOraL 4y ago
> My doctor told me that he doesn't recommend lifestyle changes for, e.g. diabetes, because patients ignore it. That's refreshing, at least if provided with the explanation. > I think that with him his policy was more because he was an agreeable type who did not want to be put in a position to have to hector his patients. But as a result he wasn't informing us well either. It was conflict avoidance rather than doubt as to biological mechanisms. He probably should inform, but I can understand why he was reluctant to go beyond that - those interventions basically won't work unless the patient has external supervision. It's common knowledge you should exercise and eat healthy - those who could manage it on their own already do it. Personally, I consider "diet and exercise" to be "fuck off advice", precisely because most people will try, fail after seeing no effect, and either ignore it from now on, or blame themselves for not being able to stick to regimen - but importantly, will not bother the advice giver for however many weeks or months it takes to admit to failure.

derbOac 4y ago

I worked in a setting where very similar arguments were raised (about a different medical issue) and I always wondered about conflicts of interest. In that case, recommending lifestyle changes instead would have meant undermining the financial rationale for the clinic.

nradov 4y ago

Virta Health has built a business around hectoring type-2 diabetes patients. And it works. Many of them have put the disease into remission and are no longer dependent on exogenous insulin. https://www.virtahealth.com/howitworks https://www.virtahealth.com/howitworks

jgilias 4y ago

By the way, if you have a metformin prescription you might want to take it regardless for longevity benefits: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-metformin-a-wonder-drug-202109222605 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-metformin-a-wonder-dr... Don’t drop the low-carb diet though!

Jtsummers 4y ago

If a doctor tells you they don't make proper recommendations because patients ignore it, you should get a different doctor. They're an honest doctor, but they're honestly telling you they don't care about their patients. I am currently dealing with that with my current doctor (I moved across the country so can't go to my former physician). But my previous primary care doctor actually thanked me for losing weight rather than just taking medication and calling it good. Apparently I was the only one to listen to his advice (I was also tired of getting winded on the stairs at the office).

TeMPOraL 4y ago

> My doctor told me that he doesn't recommend lifestyle changes for, e.g. diabetes, because patients ignore it. That's refreshing, at least if provided with the explanation. > I think that with him his policy was more because he was an agreeable type who did not want to be put in a position to have to hector his patients. But as a result he wasn't informing us well either. It was conflict avoidance rather than doubt as to biological mechanisms. He probably should inform, but I can understand why he was reluctant to go beyond that - those interventions basically won't work unless the patient has external supervision. It's common knowledge you should exercise and eat healthy - those who could manage it on their own already do it. Personally, I consider "diet and exercise" to be "fuck off advice", precisely because most people will try, fail after seeing no effect, and either ignore it from now on, or blame themselves for not being able to stick to regimen - but importantly, will not bother the advice giver for however many weeks or months it takes to admit to failure.