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I would happily pay Microsoft just to have the minimal Windows without all the bloat. Windows does window management well. That's good. That is all I need. Stop

by kriz9 4y ago

I would happily pay Microsoft just to have the minimal Windows without all the bloat. Windows does window management well. That's good. That is all I need. Stop trying to shove these half finished applications with bad UX/ads down my throat and let someone else figure this out.

accrual 4y ago
You can in fact buy a minimal edition of Windows from Microsoft, e.g. Windows 10 LTSC. However, to buy it legally one needs to jump through some hoops (I think you need to have an Azure or enterprise account, or something) before being able to buy a license.
- xist 4y ago
  Enterprise is more what you're looking for, LTSC is designed for special use cases only. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/ltsc-what-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/l... has some examples of why you don't want to use it except in cases. The most likely reason is a stripped down version of periphal support, no new feature releases etc. It's more of set and forget installations rather than a daily driver.
  - chii 4y ago
    which is actually good, i'd say, because i don't want my machine to suddenly stop working because some peripheral driver was updated and conflicts with some other driver, or cause system instability.
encryptluks2 4y ago
Wouldn't it be better to just give up on Microsoft and make a difference towards an OS that doesn't continuously implement shady practices?
- kriz9 4y ago
  It would be better. If any other OS gets as good in window management as Windows is right now I would happily make the switch. MacOS is close (with extra apps) but it is not there yet unfortunately. And that is why MS can get away with this.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    There are things to like about Windows, but their window management to me is the worst out of all options.
    - rwalle 4y ago
      Would love to be enlightened about better options. I have spent a lot of time on three platforms, including multiple Linux desktop managers, but have not seen anything better than the window management in Windows 11. (I am aware that this article talks about Windows 10)
      - encryptluks2 4y ago
        I'm personally very happy with Sway and i3wm. They just make sense to me and are a lot less bloated. Everything is just a shortcut away.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    What are they doing special with window management?
JoeyBananas 4y ago
Window management is sort of a superficial feature of an OS. If Windows only managed windows, you would not be able to do much on it.
xist 4y ago
This is available in corporate versions (aka enterprise or LTSC). The home versions are significantly cheaper and dont offer that functionality out of the box. 2 reasons - a lot of endusers appreciate it surprisingly, and some of those bloat of preinstalled applications subsidizes the cost to make it cheaper to purchase.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  > a lot of endusers appreciate it surprisingly Then they wouldn't want to disable it; what harm is there in offering the choice?
  - xist 4y ago
    There's not as much bloatware in Windows 11 as you might think - most of it is links to install applcations, not the applications themselves. Part of it is due to advertising - you're actually getting Windows license a bit cheaper in exchange for these "features". But you can disable and remove it - manually. These scripts do it automatically for you as a convenience but the ability is there. In enterprise versions of Windows, there's tighter control and less "features"/bloatware installed by default, and you can use GPOs and other settings to deal with it very easily. This of course comes at a cost that most endusers don't want to pay. Feel free to purchase the non home versions of Windows and you will find there _is_ a choice.
prmoustache 4y ago
Isn't that called reactos?

by kriz9 4y ago

accrual 4y ago

You can in fact buy a minimal edition of Windows from Microsoft, e.g. Windows 10 LTSC. However, to buy it legally one needs to jump through some hoops (I think you need to have an Azure or enterprise account, or something) before being able to buy a license.

xist 4y ago
Enterprise is more what you're looking for, LTSC is designed for special use cases only. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/ltsc-what-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/l... has some examples of why you don't want to use it except in cases. The most likely reason is a stripped down version of periphal support, no new feature releases etc. It's more of set and forget installations rather than a daily driver.
- chii 4y ago
  which is actually good, i'd say, because i don't want my machine to suddenly stop working because some peripheral driver was updated and conflicts with some other driver, or cause system instability.

encryptluks2 4y ago

Wouldn't it be better to just give up on Microsoft and make a difference towards an OS that doesn't continuously implement shady practices?

kriz9 4y ago
It would be better. If any other OS gets as good in window management as Windows is right now I would happily make the switch. MacOS is close (with extra apps) but it is not there yet unfortunately. And that is why MS can get away with this.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  There are things to like about Windows, but their window management to me is the worst out of all options.
  - rwalle 4y ago
    Would love to be enlightened about better options. I have spent a lot of time on three platforms, including multiple Linux desktop managers, but have not seen anything better than the window management in Windows 11. (I am aware that this article talks about Windows 10)
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      I'm personally very happy with Sway and i3wm. They just make sense to me and are a lot less bloated. Everything is just a shortcut away.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  What are they doing special with window management?

JoeyBananas 4y ago

Window management is sort of a superficial feature of an OS. If Windows only managed windows, you would not be able to do much on it.

xist 4y ago

This is available in corporate versions (aka enterprise or LTSC). The home versions are significantly cheaper and dont offer that functionality out of the box. 2 reasons - a lot of endusers appreciate it surprisingly, and some of those bloat of preinstalled applications subsidizes the cost to make it cheaper to purchase.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> a lot of endusers appreciate it surprisingly Then they wouldn't want to disable it; what harm is there in offering the choice?
- xist 4y ago
  There's not as much bloatware in Windows 11 as you might think - most of it is links to install applcations, not the applications themselves. Part of it is due to advertising - you're actually getting Windows license a bit cheaper in exchange for these "features". But you can disable and remove it - manually. These scripts do it automatically for you as a convenience but the ability is there. In enterprise versions of Windows, there's tighter control and less "features"/bloatware installed by default, and you can use GPOs and other settings to deal with it very easily. This of course comes at a cost that most endusers don't want to pay. Feel free to purchase the non home versions of Windows and you will find there _is_ a choice.

prmoustache 4y ago

Isn't that called reactos?