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I have never heard of this before, so congratulations on getting big enough for the paid competitors to take out ads. "Kdenlive" sure is an open-source project
by egypturnash 4y ago
I have never heard of this before, so congratulations on getting big enough for the paid competitors to take out ads.
"Kdenlive" sure is an open-source project name though. How is it even supposed to be pronounced? It's not actively offensive like "The GIMP" but it sure does not imply a single thing about what this program does to the uninitiated.
- rolenthedeep 4y agoI can't tell if they're just bad with names, or if it's become some running joke but all kde software has stupid names
- frosted-flakes 4y agokid3 is a neat name. It is a KDE program for editing ID3 tags of audio files.
- sergiomattei 4y agoCalling a file manager Dolphin is a particularly bad one.
- rolenthedeep 4y agoNot only is it just a bad name for a file manager, it breaks the k-prefix name convention (which is also a bad convention imo)
- aardvark179 4y agoI mean I can guess how they got there. Shell led to Nautilus, and then they thought their shell should be named after another sea creature? The seems like classic imitator product naming really.
- seba_dos1 4y agoIt's not and never was a shell; Plasma is.
- nhchris 4y agoCould be worse - it could be named 'Files'. Good luck searching for help...
- zinekeller 4y ago"KDE Files" - done Apple, Google and Samsung have done it, why not KDE?
- notwokeno 4y agoApple's graphical shell is called Finder unless they renamed it for some reason.
- goosedragons 4y agoOn iOS the file manager is called Files.
- sentientslug 4y agoCalling the Files app a "file manager" is being extremely generous
- heckelson 4y agothere is a program by KDE called Kile, but it's not what you think - it's a LaTeX suite
- tmtvl 4y agoIs it worse than "Konqueror" or "Krusader"? Regardless, I don't see what's so bad about "Dolphin," it seems just as good as Nautilus, Nemo, Thunar, Finder, Midnight Commander, Caja, Ranger,...
- IYasha 4y agoHey! It's not bad! It's a Linux thing! ( :D )
- StingyJelly 4y agoNot sure if adobe is any better
- bombcar 4y agoAt least it’s pronounceable and “photoshop” and “illustrator” are pretty self-explanatory. Acrobat isn’t I’ll grant.
- muststopmyths 4y agoSo I can buy pictures with photoshop ? Not defending kdenlive but photoshop is a bad example
- toast0 4y agoDo you buy cars at the autoshop? Or buy lumber at the woodshop? The photoshop is where you work on pictures. If you shopped there, it would be a photostore.
- readthenotes1 4y agoif you stored photos there it would be a photoshed
- muststopmyths 4y agohuh, never made that connection. I guess because I'm not American. Thanks for clearing that up.
- martyvis 4y agoJust an FYI, outside of North America, the only shop specifically for work is a workshop. We would go to a auto workshop or a wood workshop. For Aussies or Brits a shop is equivalent to a store (often a small one). And yes go shopping at a shop or a store, you don't usual go storing at a store, unless it's like a grain store or a data store.
- Shorel 4y ago
- nailer 4y agoWho would the gimp offend? It’s not claiming gimps are good or bad, it’s just called the gimp. You could reasonably say it was unnecessary sexual but it’s not trying to hurt anyone.
- egypturnash 4y agoThe word's also used as a slur for people with physical disabilities. Also the sexual connotation isn't very professional IMHO. And this is the opinion of someone who pays a significant chunk of her bills drawing porn.
- Gordonjcp 4y agoYou can probably pick any word used as a product name and find someone who claims to be genuinely offended to the core of their being by it. That doesn't make it a slur.
- zdragnar 4y agoIt has been in use as a slur in since the 1920's at least.
- mgkimsal 4y agoI'd never heard of it being used as a slur, growing up in 70s/80s/90s. It just wasn't a word used in my circle/area. Was introduced to it in... late 90s or maybe 2000 at a local Linux group. No one mentioned anything about the name then, and I don't think I actually heard it referenced as a slur until around 10 years ago. Not saying it wasn't used or known as one, but it's certainly not a universal thing. Perhaps if we ignored some of these reactions to words after... 80+ years, and just let the 'new' meaning become the default... we can move past censoring words that someone, somewhere, used as an insult?
- philistine 4y agoSo the fact you personnally were never inconvenienced by a word means it must become ok for others. And whenever we hear a slur, we have to somehow give it a pass because the word wasn't a slur before? I'd recommend you read up on the aids health supplement, and how that attitude didn't help them. Simple fact is that GIMP has an unfortunate name, it's not getting any better despite your wishes to single-handedly control the most important language on the planet. Its name makes the whole product less appealing, making it a harder sell to switch from Photoshop. A better name would be in order.
- morjom 4y agoDaVinci Resolve doesn't tell much about the program either to the uniniated.
- bee_rider 4y agoIt must have something to do with art, named after an artist and all. Kdenlive looks a bit worse IMO. Maybe it is the name of a twitch-stream for someone with “creative name” parent. “Hey this is Kden, I’m here with my best bros Ayighden and Reighleigh, and you’re watching KdenLive.” (But I mean we’re used to bad open source names and it isn’t like they have a marketing department, so no big deal, haha).
- luluganeta 4y agoThe opposite exercise, treating proprietary software naming in such an un-generous way, is pretty easy too: - Fireworks: you'll make bitmaps so good they'll blow up in colors? - Dreamweaver: you can weave... dreams? I get the 90s web enthusiasm but come on - Illustrator: there's bitmap illustration and vector illustration; Illustrator focuses on the latter, so good job on picking the wrong word in "vector illustration" - InDesign: this name is a marketing dept playing it safe to a point that only a beige puddle of non-meaning remains - GoLive: crappy subscription 1995 online service - ColdFusion: lol I'd love to see people taking such critical takes into the bigger guys for once. Especially because they have marketing departments. F/LOSS project naming reflects their often-personal origins and ways of expressing identity. Some do sound clunky, but give me the clumsy Inkscape any day (the "ksk" is hard to get used to, but you forget quickly) than any of the sad corporate names above. I'm being snarkier that warranted, but man i'm crestfallen with all the unbridled hate on free software project naming around here.
- anonred 4y agoAll of the examples you gave are either real words or composites of real words, making them 10-100x more memorable and brandable than “Kdenlive.” I agree that expectations should be different for FOSS, but the bar is literally at “pick one or two short + commonly used words and mush them together”…
- TechBro8615 4y agoIt's probably more meaningful to someone who uses other KDE tools.
- danuker 4y agoConsistent, yes. Meaningful, no. What does "denlive" mean? "live" could mean "streamed in real-time" but "den"? "kden"? Am I transmitting live from my den?
- mackrevinack 4y agofrom their user manual: "Kdenlive is an acronym for KDE Non-Linear Video Editor"
- brnt 4y agoOne goes to the Photoshop to buy stock photos, right?
- aliswe 4y agoI think its more about workshops
- jjice 4y ago> How is it even supposed to be pronounced? I've always heard it and pronounced it as kay-den
- dekerta 4y agoAll KDE tools have terrible names IMO
- ekianjo 4y agoEven Krita?
- LarryMullins 4y agoThis is just senseless hating IMO. What is wrong with KMail? KolourPaint? Konsole? Ktorrent? KSudoku? These are all straight forward and descriptive. Nobody bats an eye at "Gmail" but KMail makes people lose their shit apparently. Come on. And of those that aren't plain and descriptive, most of them seem inoffensive. What makes Kate such a worse name for a text editor than "Vim", or "JOE"? What's so awful about a PDF reader called "Okular", when the competition is named named after southwestern construction materials and trapeze artists e.g Adobe Acrobat? At least 'Okular' suggests the program is for viewing something. Corporate brand can be as bizarre as the strangest KDE names, the only difference is what you're acclimatized to.
- npigrounet 4y ago[dead]
- dekerta 4y agoIt's just a personal preference. I can't tell you why, but I just don't like how all of the programs start with K. I think it looks weird. It also annoys me every time I try to search for the calculator by typing in "Calc", but nothing is found because I forgot I need to look for "KCalc" I think at the very least, commonly used applications like "Calculator", "Console", "Mail" should just be called "Calculator", "Console", and "Mail". Not everything has to be branded. The mail application on Windows is called "Mail", the terminal is called "Terminal", etc. They don't call them "WinMail" or "WinTerminal" for a reason. They know most users would find that off putting
- aidenn0 4y agoBetter than gnome where every program has two names; one used in the documentation and . desktop file, and another used at the command-line and by the package manager
- teekert 4y agoFwiw, I say K-dian-live, but, as with many software-y things, I have 0 friends with the same interests so it's always a guess. I do know on some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts you can vote (with boosts/sats) on how to pronounce things (like Gif/Jif, Gnome/Gu-nome, Deb-ian/Dee-bian). So, I guess it's a regular thing... But you know, English... https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunciation/pronunciationpoem.html https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunciation/pronunciationpoem.... Somehow in my head some things come out as Dutch, so GGGnome (hard throaty G, like a Klingon would say it).