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Canada is also bringing in one million immigrants a year to feed the exploitative low paying job market and to try to stave off recession. These immigrants ten
by Jemm 4y ago
Canada is also bringing in one million immigrants a year to feed the exploitative low paying job market and to try to stave off recession. These immigrants tend to gravitate in either Toronto or Vancouver.
Meanwhile corporate and rich investors are snapping up any property they can get their hands one.
In Ontario the Premiere is reclassifying conservation land owner by his buddies to allow them to build developments. In Toronto they tore down a vital section of the main highway to allow their buddies to build condos. The also allowed polluted lands to be developed a residential by simply putting a thin layer of top cover over the industrial pollution.
The foreign ban is only for high density areas. Small towns and rural land have become unaffordably for the people who grew up there.
It is a major catasrophe that is not being solved, just postponed by a year.
- ravendug 4y agoIt’s nowhere near 1 million per year. The record from 2021 was 405,000 and the plan for the next 3 years is < 1.5 million in total. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/11/an-immigration-plan-to-grow-the-economy.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ne...
- breitling 4y agoThat's 405,000 permanent residents only. Add to that hundreds of thousands international students + hundreds of thousands temporary workers + tens of thousands asylum seekers + etc + etc
- pkaye 4y agoBased on a Google search, Canada builds 200k homes, condos and other dwellings in a year. Looks like the pace needs to be doubled.
- ravendug 4y agoI’m not disagreeing that a lot more should be done on the supply side but the suggestion of it needing to double comes across as the additional demand equaling 1 home per immigrant which is simply not the case. I would like to see the hard numbers but I would expect a significant proportion to be 2+ families.
- peanuty1 4y agoYep, there's a huge amount of international students in Canada and many of them are here for the purpose of eventually getting permanent residency. We are also extremely generous when it comes to granting asylum. My dad actually gamed the asylum process to immigrate to Canada.
- ravendug 4y agoThose are mostly temporary by definition so I don’t see that as a source of the longer term shortages at the macro level unless it is shown that the size of the student and temporary worker pool is growing significantly every year? Sure, many of those eventually go onto permanent residency but that’s still included in the 400k annual figure is it not? The number of asylum claimants is overstated in my opinion. Even if 100% are granted, which is unlikely, it is a very small number in terms of population growth. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/asylum-claims/asylum-claims-2021.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...
- llampx 4y agoWhy does temporary vs permanent status matter? Whoever is coming to Canada needs a place to live in.
- ravendug 4y agoMy assumption is that temporary residents no longer consume housing at the end of their stay in the country so, provided the rate of growth in the number of temporary residents is low, their net consumption of the available housing stock over time would also be low. I haven’t seen the growth figures to judge. Where we stand today, the absolute number of temporary residents are consuming some percentage of housing but I suggest that is the current baseline and is less useful discussing how to solve the problem going forward, unless anyone is advocating for a net reduction in the absolute number going forward. However, I haven’t seen that as part of the discourse and would consider that an extremely short term measure with its own set of ramifications.
- llampx 4y agoRight, what we need is a net number of temporary residents leaving subtracted from temporary residents coming in. Given that Canada's model is to encourage immigration though, it would be good to have that number.
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- verdenti 4y agoAs a Canadian, Canada needs way more people for how much habitable land we have.
- voisin 4y agoI 100% concur. Canada would benefit by having a population 2-3x current. I am always amazed how in the US there are so many cities with vibrant cultures in the 50-80k range whereas in Canada you can drive vast distances and only find tiny settlements of a few thousand people and no services or culture to speak of.
- pigsty 4y agoMeanwhile a substantial number of Americans are envious of Canadian life and how much safer Canadian cities are. The grass is always greener.
- neighbor1 4y ago> Canada would benefit by having a population 2-3x current What a coincidence, this is exactly what the Century Initiative wants. Toronto would go from 8.8 to 33.5 million people. Vancouver from 3.3 to 11.9 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative
- voisin 4y agoWell… I would distribute it differently! I’d look for dozens of more cities in the 75-300k range like the US rather than pushing the growth to 2-3 mega cities.
- betaby 4y agoWe don't have 'much habitable land'. Most of the 'land' is literally a rock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield
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- kennend3 4y agoInstead of being critical of the decisions of others, what do you suggest? Arm chair critics are a dime a dozen, what are your ideas on how to address the housing problems?
- throwayyy479087 4y agoZone every inch of currently settled land to allow 6 story mixed use buildings, by right. Don’t require anything to build besides engineering and safety checks - no chance for NIMBY input. Do this federally.
- adverbly 4y agoNot sure if I'd do it federally... maybe start with a few trial cities or areas where the idea has a lot of support... But I'd be all for trying something like this!
- elwebmaster 4y agoUp the stories to 85 and then we are talking.
- andsoitis 4y ago> allow 6 story mixed use buildings Why stop at 6? Why limit it at all?
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- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoI agree with this in totality. Preserving undeveloped wetlands is a way more important than preserving some boomers stake in a low density suburb.
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- rsync 4y ago"The foreign ban is only for high density areas." Is this correct ? Under these new laws a foreigner can still purchase farm, or ranch land or, for instance, a ski chalet in Golden ? Asking for a friend ...
- papercrane 4y agoThere's an exception for "any residential property found outside of a Census Metropolitan Area or Census Agglomeration as identified in Statistics Canada’s Standard Geographical Classification 2021." I've not looked at a map to see how much area that covers, but it sounds like foreign buyers could still purchase rural properties. https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/media-newsroom/notices/2022/ensuring-housing-owned-canadians https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/media-newsroom/notices/2022/e...