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I’ve watched this argument play out many times here, and I can see you’re dedicated to winning it. Have a quick think about what will gain by successfully convi

I’ve watched this argument play out many times here, and I can see you’re dedicated to winning it. Have a quick think about what will gain by successfully convincing the person trying to help you that success is impossible. Personally I’m really happy that I gave up making excuses and actually tried to improve my situation. Despite all your persuasive arguments and conviction that it’s all a pretty fantasy, it did in fact work. Here’s hoping we get to see you arguing the other side one day.

jpmoral 4y ago
Their point isn't that success is impossible. It's that "If you work hard you will succeed." is a fairy tale and that it's irresponsible to assert otherwise.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  I never once wrote "if you work hard you will succeed".
  - jpmoral 4y ago
    That's something for the other poster then. It seems you both are talking past each other. I'm not trying to support one argument or the other, just clarifying to improve the discussion.
Dudeman112 4y ago
What do you think was the probability of success before you set out to do it? These kind of arguments would greatly benefit from people just saying what they think the actual number is Being able to disregard everyone who thinks it's 1 or 0 is quite handy
- jasonkester 4y ago
  I’m at 2 for about 15 now, in terms of profitable SaaS businesses to good, several month attempts. It took maybe six or eight tries to get the first one going, so I’d say I’m getting better with practice.
tuyiown 4y ago
I don't state that success is impossible. I just don't care, my only argument is to entice people act on well informed situation, properly evaluate their luck or chances of improving it. This is the real and _only_ way to improve their chance of success, just telling that «you have to create your luck» or other non-sense, is just dangerous advice that exists only based on survivor bias and does nothing but improving the risk of destroying lives.

jpmoral 4y ago

Their point isn't that success is impossible. It's that "If you work hard you will succeed." is a fairy tale and that it's irresponsible to assert otherwise.

WalterBright 4y ago
I never once wrote "if you work hard you will succeed".
- jpmoral 4y ago
  That's something for the other poster then. It seems you both are talking past each other. I'm not trying to support one argument or the other, just clarifying to improve the discussion.

Dudeman112 4y ago

What do you think was the probability of success before you set out to do it? These kind of arguments would greatly benefit from people just saying what they think the actual number is Being able to disregard everyone who thinks it's 1 or 0 is quite handy

jasonkester 4y ago
I’m at 2 for about 15 now, in terms of profitable SaaS businesses to good, several month attempts. It took maybe six or eight tries to get the first one going, so I’d say I’m getting better with practice.

tuyiown 4y ago

I don't state that success is impossible. I just don't care, my only argument is to entice people act on well informed situation, properly evaluate their luck or chances of improving it. This is the real and _only_ way to improve their chance of success, just telling that «you have to create your luck» or other non-sense, is just dangerous advice that exists only based on survivor bias and does nothing but improving the risk of destroying lives.