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Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

by iinnPP 4y ago

wahnfrieden 4y ago
application of law is politicized and protects status quo power
- logicchains 4y ago
  If you or me lie to Congress, we go to jail. If the head of the FBI lies to Congress about spying on Americans (as demonstrated by the Snowden revelations), nothing happens.
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    I think you mean NSA right? James Klapper?
- wolverine876 4y ago
  What does that mean? It's at least somewhat politicized and protects the status quo, but it's clearly not entirely such - powerful status quo people go to jail and suffer other penalties. The meaningful question is, how and in what ways is it true, and who what where and when? And what shall we do about it?
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    Show me the Fortune 500 employers in jail for billions in wage theft vs those in jail for single digit dollar property theft from those same companies
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    as for what to do about it, anarchism (against state and capital) makes a compelling case over incremental policy reform
mhalberstram 4y ago
In the case of Prince Andrew [1], there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. He did not (directly) admit guilt and got his case closed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-settlement.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-vi... [1] edited from Prince Albert
- dboreham 4y ago
  Prince Albert is a totally different thing.
  - mhalberstram 4y ago
    My bad, it's corrected!
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    He's in a can, last I checked.
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      Are you referring to a person rather than a piercing?
      - xref 4y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_(tobacco) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_(tobacco) As for the piercing…I’ll let people Google that themselves
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > In the case of Prince Albert Prince Andrew; to my knowledge, no Prince Albert has been connected with Epstein. > there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. In theory, a private settlement of civil charges does not protect against criminal charges arising from the same conduct.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an interest in derailing investigations and accountability (there’s at least some reason to suspect something like that was involve in his wrist-slap the first time he was arrested, if not also beyond that, and certainly his rumored clients suggest that if there was, it might have been more about protecting them – and thus extend beyond his death – than about protecting him.)
- eternalban 4y ago
  Why are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)
  - nvr219 4y ago
    How's Mossad involved? I'd think MI6 maybe.
    - inthepipe 4y ago
      Having no knowledge of this conspiracy theory, my guess would be that Ghislaine Maxwell is Israeli and harbored there after Epstein’s arrest.
    - pseudo0 4y ago
      Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who was a suspected Mossad spy. Per Wikipedia: > The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[52] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[53] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell
cokeandpepsi 4y ago
some of the people in charge like screwing kids and were implicated in his crimes, it's not unprecedented look at the lengths the catholic chruch went to protect it's own
jackmott 4y ago
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theknocker 4y ago
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Woodi 4y ago
Of course it was JPMorgan, what other "institution" fits better ?? It should be disbanded decades ago... > Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? I bet reason is: ten years didn't pass yet. Wait, no... It's actually a reason of all that... But there is much more we can learn from that story. Victims: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-victims-speak-out-in-perversion-of-justice-by-julie-k-brown https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-v... Ghislaine the Coaxer: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-verdict-trial-jeffrey-epstein https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-... Looks Epstein house wasn't a sex-or-no-heroine-for-ya mafia shop. Girls was lured there - "they had a playbook" - with promises of opportunities and bunch of good heart faking. And shopping sprees. By someone out of the blue suddenly throwing money... Still, as I read somewhere, similiar to mafia where trafficking is often mafia's woman job. Girls was also choosed - troubles in family or [attr humanity=off] System [attr] experience... Looks like total top-down fackup - from politicians to minor kids. Nothing much differen form what was[1] happening for thousend of years before. But now we trying to not accept this anymore. So: - first, nothing can replace good family with parents dedicated for life to their childrens - we need to do something with kids wanting or maybe needeing money... Steam skins for cents is just extracted essence of that. Why minors started to needs money so much ? That is civilizational problem. Also some % of mionors "sex marked" is just that - minors wants money... Spare me usual idiotic fact denial on that and show me a way to avoid that. - we need good after hours care for kids. Not only official schools but but after hours too. DO NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY IN ANY CASE, school is enough of that. Boy Scouts was good attempt, worked or is working for century now. But predators infiltrate it. - and here is main problem: a) predators "volunteere", b) no one notice (maybe) and then c) they take over institution. There was "private tutors" in England - kids moved to teachers homes. Yes, personal education is better then public, but gues what ? There was systematic abuses ! Is it when and why anti-homosexualinsts law passed in England (or it was from earlier) ? There is a clear pattern: pedophiles destroy educational systems. That they destroy lifes for life is already known and all over the media and spy industry and legislation too with potential of destroing results. Yea, f* education, right ? - we do need official method of requiring and teaching more and more responsibility from kids - so they could be self sustained adults. Old ways of that was destroyed by changes in lifestyle (which are not bad in itself (except megacities - that need to be stopped)) - we need to learn to be not rich - especially public servants, military, priests, teachers and academia LOL. Not poor - it guarantee coruption in "services". Made it official: You want to be rich ? Get out of public service ! Of course negative way is not a way, we need good reasons to stay in. Maybe by striving to do art or nice things at least. For now anything remotely nice is "premium" and "premium" is for stupid peoples - there is no such value as "premium" ! There is just quality, effort and resources. Just keep watching for parasites as phedophiles in kids related organizations and appropriately to the organization purpose, eg. health or education or environment or IT controlling agencies - meltdowns of the last decades is... in same scale as Babel tower building effort. Also as society we need get over that "be rich" lure. Just build homes for everyone and then more and then give them as gifts. Problem moustly solved ! Maybe. I read yesterday JPMorgan volunteered for that, right ? Just build and cede ownership rights. Make them easily repairable for 2 centuries and keep building publicly owned or very cheaply available replacements for what's damaged. Yes, very cheaply available quality houses. It's quite a time for new goverment responsibilities. That's different from setting rules for others. - there should be scientific research about "gentlemans" - must be rich and 4 generations needed to create true gentleman ? Looks like pre-scientific observation. But looks like some level of financial independence do psychological change in life - you gain some peace when you do not need to be in constant panic for lack of food and shelter with money as proxy of that. Also this is usually achieved via education. And not without training in some ethic... Possible in XIX we can do better then 4 generations...
lfodofod 4y ago
Perhaps there were no more people to charge? This was probably mostly Epstein’s and Maxwells private hobby, they presumably did not go around advertising the fact that the girls were underage.
more_corn 4y ago
Because we don’t know how to hold wealthy and powerful people accountable in this country. See SBF, released on bail, immediately started stealing money from Alemeda and FTX wallets. Why the fuck does he have unsupervised access to a computer? Because we suck at this.
PeterStuer 4y ago
The potential perpetrators can afford masses of top notch lawyers, so cases will have to be tight to lead to any convictions. Besides, who would benefit from the resulting loss in campaign contributions?
PicassoCTs 4y ago
Write some of the suspected names here with Epstein in the same line and watch you getting downvoted by reputation cleansing bots within seconds.
freejazz 4y ago
Lack of evidence that they did anything besides going on his plane, as a starter?

Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

by iinnPP 4y ago

Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

wahnfrieden 4y ago

application of law is politicized and protects status quo power

logicchains 4y ago
If you or me lie to Congress, we go to jail. If the head of the FBI lies to Congress about spying on Americans (as demonstrated by the Snowden revelations), nothing happens.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  I think you mean NSA right? James Klapper?
wolverine876 4y ago
What does that mean? It's at least somewhat politicized and protects the status quo, but it's clearly not entirely such - powerful status quo people go to jail and suffer other penalties. The meaningful question is, how and in what ways is it true, and who what where and when? And what shall we do about it?
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Show me the Fortune 500 employers in jail for billions in wage theft vs those in jail for single digit dollar property theft from those same companies
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  as for what to do about it, anarchism (against state and capital) makes a compelling case over incremental policy reform

mhalberstram 4y ago

In the case of Prince Andrew [1], there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. He did not (directly) admit guilt and got his case closed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-settlement.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-vi... [1] edited from Prince Albert

dboreham 4y ago
Prince Albert is a totally different thing.
- mhalberstram 4y ago
  My bad, it's corrected!
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  He's in a can, last I checked.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Are you referring to a person rather than a piercing?
    - xref 4y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_(tobacco) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_(tobacco) As for the piercing…I’ll let people Google that themselves
dragonwriter 4y ago
> In the case of Prince Albert Prince Andrew; to my knowledge, no Prince Albert has been connected with Epstein. > there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. In theory, a private settlement of civil charges does not protect against criminal charges arising from the same conduct.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an interest in derailing investigations and accountability (there’s at least some reason to suspect something like that was involve in his wrist-slap the first time he was arrested, if not also beyond that, and certainly his rumored clients suggest that if there was, it might have been more about protecting them – and thus extend beyond his death – than about protecting him.)

eternalban 4y ago
Why are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)
- nvr219 4y ago
  How's Mossad involved? I'd think MI6 maybe.
  - inthepipe 4y ago
    Having no knowledge of this conspiracy theory, my guess would be that Ghislaine Maxwell is Israeli and harbored there after Epstein’s arrest.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who was a suspected Mossad spy. Per Wikipedia: > The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[52] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[53] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

cokeandpepsi 4y ago

some of the people in charge like screwing kids and were implicated in his crimes, it's not unprecedented look at the lengths the catholic chruch went to protect it's own

jackmott 4y ago

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theknocker 4y ago

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Woodi 4y ago

Of course it was JPMorgan, what other "institution" fits better ?? It should be disbanded decades ago... > Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? I bet reason is: ten years didn't pass yet. Wait, no... It's actually a reason of all that... But there is much more we can learn from that story. Victims: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-victims-speak-out-in-perversion-of-justice-by-julie-k-brown https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-v... Ghislaine the Coaxer: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-verdict-trial-jeffrey-epstein https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-... Looks Epstein house wasn't a sex-or-no-heroine-for-ya mafia shop. Girls was lured there - "they had a playbook" - with promises of opportunities and bunch of good heart faking. And shopping sprees. By someone out of the blue suddenly throwing money... Still, as I read somewhere, similiar to mafia where trafficking is often mafia's woman job. Girls was also choosed - troubles in family or [attr humanity=off] System [attr] experience... Looks like total top-down fackup - from politicians to minor kids. Nothing much differen form what was[1] happening for thousend of years before. But now we trying to not accept this anymore. So: - first, nothing can replace good family with parents dedicated for life to their childrens - we need to do something with kids wanting or maybe needeing money... Steam skins for cents is just extracted essence of that. Why minors started to needs money so much ? That is civilizational problem. Also some % of mionors "sex marked" is just that - minors wants money... Spare me usual idiotic fact denial on that and show me a way to avoid that. - we need good after hours care for kids. Not only official schools but but after hours too. DO NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY IN ANY CASE, school is enough of that. Boy Scouts was good attempt, worked or is working for century now. But predators infiltrate it. - and here is main problem: a) predators "volunteere", b) no one notice (maybe) and then c) they take over institution. There was "private tutors" in England - kids moved to teachers homes. Yes, personal education is better then public, but gues what ? There was systematic abuses ! Is it when and why anti-homosexualinsts law passed in England (or it was from earlier) ? There is a clear pattern: pedophiles destroy educational systems. That they destroy lifes for life is already known and all over the media and spy industry and legislation too with potential of destroing results. Yea, f* education, right ? - we do need official method of requiring and teaching more and more responsibility from kids - so they could be self sustained adults. Old ways of that was destroyed by changes in lifestyle (which are not bad in itself (except megacities - that need to be stopped)) - we need to learn to be not rich - especially public servants, military, priests, teachers and academia LOL. Not poor - it guarantee coruption in "services". Made it official: You want to be rich ? Get out of public service ! Of course negative way is not a way, we need good reasons to stay in. Maybe by striving to do art or nice things at least. For now anything remotely nice is "premium" and "premium" is for stupid peoples - there is no such value as "premium" ! There is just quality, effort and resources. Just keep watching for parasites as phedophiles in kids related organizations and appropriately to the organization purpose, eg. health or education or environment or IT controlling agencies - meltdowns of the last decades is... in same scale as Babel tower building effort. Also as society we need get over that "be rich" lure. Just build homes for everyone and then more and then give them as gifts. Problem moustly solved ! Maybe. I read yesterday JPMorgan volunteered for that, right ? Just build and cede ownership rights. Make them easily repairable for 2 centuries and keep building publicly owned or very cheaply available replacements for what's damaged. Yes, very cheaply available quality houses. It's quite a time for new goverment responsibilities. That's different from setting rules for others. - there should be scientific research about "gentlemans" - must be rich and 4 generations needed to create true gentleman ? Looks like pre-scientific observation. But looks like some level of financial independence do psychological change in life - you gain some peace when you do not need to be in constant panic for lack of food and shelter with money as proxy of that. Also this is usually achieved via education. And not without training in some ethic... Possible in XIX we can do better then 4 generations...

lfodofod 4y ago

Perhaps there were no more people to charge? This was probably mostly Epstein’s and Maxwells private hobby, they presumably did not go around advertising the fact that the girls were underage.

more_corn 4y ago

Because we don’t know how to hold wealthy and powerful people accountable in this country. See SBF, released on bail, immediately started stealing money from Alemeda and FTX wallets. Why the fuck does he have unsupervised access to a computer? Because we suck at this.

PeterStuer 4y ago

The potential perpetrators can afford masses of top notch lawyers, so cases will have to be tight to lead to any convictions. Besides, who would benefit from the resulting loss in campaign contributions?

PicassoCTs 4y ago

Write some of the suspected names here with Epstein in the same line and watch you getting downvoted by reputation cleansing bots within seconds.

freejazz 4y ago

Lack of evidence that they did anything besides going on his plane, as a starter?