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If factories have exploitative working conditions, pass laws to fix that. Don't legalize more immorality and exploitation

Dylan16807 4y ago
> immorality Your opinion, if you mean there's an inherent difference from other jobs. > exploitation Every new kind of job is "more exploitation" at some level. That's not a good enough reason by itself.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  Prostitution is immoral because it: - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility - Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind - Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution. > - Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind Exploitation can be fixed with labor laws. Being unable to continue when you're old applies to tons of non-sex jobs too, and is better fixed by adding support structures than banning the jobs entirely. > - Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for Pretty rarely. I'm skeptical of that being enough to make a job immoral, but among other things there are many types of prostitution that can't result in a child.
    - Georgelemental 4y ago
      > - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility >> That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution. No, birth control doesn't change anything. I wasn't talking about just responsibility to one's child, but also responsibility to one's partner.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        People have lots of hookups with no responsibilities, with or without the existence of prostitution. I don't think prostitution really makes that worse. And tying sex to marriage causes a lot of issues...
        Georgelemental 4y ago
        > And tying sex to marriage causes a lot of issues... What issues, in your view? From my perspective, it solves a lot of issues. Marriage ensures that society knows exactly who is responsible for the consequences of sex. That's why the institution of marriage has been developed independently by so many different cultures, and has endured for so many centuries. (And there is always the potential for consequences; no contraception is 100% effective, and on top of that there are the psychological effects)
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        I'm not arguing against marriage at all. But tying it very tightly to sex means people rush into marriage more, before they're entirely sure about compatibility, and can also tie into a feeling that you can't leave that leaks into widespread resentment for marriage in general.
        Georgelemental 4y ago
        What should marriage be, in your view? What should it mean?
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        It's a way to strengthen and formalize a long-term relationship. Very good if you're having kids. But you should probably live together for at least half a year before you get married.
        4y ago

Dylan16807 4y ago

> immorality Your opinion, if you mean there's an inherent difference from other jobs. > exploitation Every new kind of job is "more exploitation" at some level. That's not a good enough reason by itself.

Georgelemental 4y ago
Prostitution is immoral because it: - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility - Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind - Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution. > - Exploits women, and then once they have grown old and wrinkled leaves them without support of any kind Exploitation can be fixed with labor laws. Being unable to continue when you're old applies to tons of non-sex jobs too, and is better fixed by adding support structures than banning the jobs entirely. > - Can result in a child, which the prostitute is likely not equipped to care for Pretty rarely. I'm skeptical of that being enough to make a job immoral, but among other things there are many types of prostitution that can't result in a child.
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    > - Weakens the nuclear family, which is the foundation of stable civilization, by decoupling sex from responsibility >> That sounds like you have a problem with birth control, not prostitution. No, birth control doesn't change anything. I wasn't talking about just responsibility to one's child, but also responsibility to one's partner.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      People have lots of hookups with no responsibilities, with or without the existence of prostitution. I don't think prostitution really makes that worse. And tying sex to marriage causes a lot of issues...
      - Georgelemental 4y ago
        > And tying sex to marriage causes a lot of issues... What issues, in your view? From my perspective, it solves a lot of issues. Marriage ensures that society knows exactly who is responsible for the consequences of sex. That's why the institution of marriage has been developed independently by so many different cultures, and has endured for so many centuries. (And there is always the potential for consequences; no contraception is 100% effective, and on top of that there are the psychological effects)
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        I'm not arguing against marriage at all. But tying it very tightly to sex means people rush into marriage more, before they're entirely sure about compatibility, and can also tie into a feeling that you can't leave that leaks into widespread resentment for marriage in general.
        Georgelemental 4y ago
        What should marriage be, in your view? What should it mean?
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        It's a way to strengthen and formalize a long-term relationship. Very good if you're having kids. But you should probably live together for at least half a year before you get married.
        4y ago