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Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says
- WarOnPrivacy 4y agoToday we learn that sex trafficking looks a lot like rich people aided by large financial institutions. In the face of that, wealthy pols instead went after BackPage (even tho BP actively and passively aided cops on the front line of rescuing trafficked victims).
- iinnPP 4y agoIs there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?
- wahnfrieden 4y agoapplication of law is politicized and protects status quo power
- logicchains 4y agoIf you or me lie to Congress, we go to jail. If the head of the FBI lies to Congress about spying on Americans (as demonstrated by the Snowden revelations), nothing happens.
- mikrotikker 4y agoI think you mean NSA right? James Klapper?
- wolverine876 4y agoWhat does that mean? It's at least somewhat politicized and protects the status quo, but it's clearly not entirely such - powerful status quo people go to jail and suffer other penalties. The meaningful question is, how and in what ways is it true, and who what where and when? And what shall we do about it?
- wahnfrieden 4y agoShow me the Fortune 500 employers in jail for billions in wage theft vs those in jail for single digit dollar property theft from those same companies
- wahnfrieden 4y agoas for what to do about it, anarchism (against state and capital) makes a compelling case over incremental policy reform
- mhalberstram 4y agoIn the case of Prince Andrew [1], there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. He did not (directly) admit guilt and got his case closed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-settlement.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/prince-andrew-vi... [1] edited from Prince Albert
- dboreham 4y agoPrince Albert is a totally different thing.
- mhalberstram 4y agoMy bad, it's corrected!
- HideousKojima 4y agoHe's in a can, last I checked.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> In the case of Prince Albert Prince Andrew; to my knowledge, no Prince Albert has been connected with Epstein. > there was a private settlement with the victim with the strongest case. In theory, a private settlement of civil charges does not protect against criminal charges arising from the same conduct.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? Given the probably reluctance of most victims to come forward, active concealment by (apparently) multiple large banks (Deutsche Bank was sued and settled with New York, and now JP Morgan by USVI), investigators getting proof beyond a reasonable doubt even if there aren’t powerful people with law enforcement connections with an interest in derailing investigations and accountability (there’s at least some reason to suspect something like that was involve in his wrist-slap the first time he was arrested, if not also beyond that, and certainly his rumored clients suggest that if there was, it might have been more about protecting them – and thus extend beyond his death – than about protecting him.)
- eternalban 4y agoWhy are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)
- nvr219 4y agoHow's Mossad involved? I'd think MI6 maybe.
- inthepipe 4y agoHaving no knowledge of this conspiracy theory, my guess would be that Ghislaine Maxwell is Israeli and harbored there after Epstein’s arrest.
- pseudo0 4y agoGhislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who was a suspected Mossad spy. Per Wikipedia: > The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[52] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[53] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell
- cokeandpepsi 4y agosome of the people in charge like screwing kids and were implicated in his crimes, it's not unprecedented look at the lengths the catholic chruch went to protect it's own
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- Woodi 4y agoOf course it was JPMorgan, what other "institution" fits better ?? It should be disbanded decades ago... > Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein? I bet reason is: ten years didn't pass yet. Wait, no... It's actually a reason of all that... But there is much more we can learn from that story. Victims: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-victims-speak-out-in-perversion-of-justice-by-julie-k-brown https://www.npr.org/2021/07/20/1017968999/jeffrey-epsteins-v... Ghislaine the Coaxer: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-verdict-trial-jeffrey-epstein https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1066219689/ghislaine-maxwell-... Looks Epstein house wasn't a sex-or-no-heroine-for-ya mafia shop. Girls was lured there - "they had a playbook" - with promises of opportunities and bunch of good heart faking. And shopping sprees. By someone out of the blue suddenly throwing money... Still, as I read somewhere, similiar to mafia where trafficking is often mafia's woman job. Girls was also choosed - troubles in family or [attr humanity=off] System [attr] experience... Looks like total top-down fackup - from politicians to minor kids. Nothing much differen form what was[1] happening for thousend of years before. But now we trying to not accept this anymore. So: - first, nothing can replace good family with parents dedicated for life to their childrens - we need to do something with kids wanting or maybe needeing money... Steam skins for cents is just extracted essence of that. Why minors started to needs money so much ? That is civilizational problem. Also some % of mionors "sex marked" is just that - minors wants money... Spare me usual idiotic fact denial on that and show me a way to avoid that. - we need good after hours care for kids. Not only official schools but but after hours too. DO NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY IN ANY CASE, school is enough of that. Boy Scouts was good attempt, worked or is working for century now. But predators infiltrate it. - and here is main problem: a) predators "volunteere", b) no one notice (maybe) and then c) they take over institution. There was "private tutors" in England - kids moved to teachers homes. Yes, personal education is better then public, but gues what ? There was systematic abuses ! Is it when and why anti-homosexualinsts law passed in England (or it was from earlier) ? There is a clear pattern: pedophiles destroy educational systems. That they destroy lifes for life is already known and all over the media and spy industry and legislation too with potential of destroing results. Yea, f* education, right ? - we do need official method of requiring and teaching more and more responsibility from kids - so they could be self sustained adults. Old ways of that was destroyed by changes in lifestyle (which are not bad in itself (except megacities - that need to be stopped)) - we need to learn to be not rich - especially public servants, military, priests, teachers and academia LOL. Not poor - it guarantee coruption in "services". Made it official: You want to be rich ? Get out of public service ! Of course negative way is not a way, we need good reasons to stay in. Maybe by striving to do art or nice things at least. For now anything remotely nice is "premium" and "premium" is for stupid peoples - there is no such value as "premium" ! There is just quality, effort and resources. Just keep watching for parasites as phedophiles in kids related organizations and appropriately to the organization purpose, eg. health or education or environment or IT controlling agencies - meltdowns of the last decades is... in same scale as Babel tower building effort. Also as society we need get over that "be rich" lure. Just build homes for everyone and then more and then give them as gifts. Problem moustly solved ! Maybe. I read yesterday JPMorgan volunteered for that, right ? Just build and cede ownership rights. Make them easily repairable for 2 centuries and keep building publicly owned or very cheaply available replacements for what's damaged. Yes, very cheaply available quality houses. It's quite a time for new goverment responsibilities. That's different from setting rules for others. - there should be scientific research about "gentlemans" - must be rich and 4 generations needed to create true gentleman ? Looks like pre-scientific observation. But looks like some level of financial independence do psychological change in life - you gain some peace when you do not need to be in constant panic for lack of food and shelter with money as proxy of that. Also this is usually achieved via education. And not without training in some ethic... Possible in XIX we can do better then 4 generations...
- lfodofod 4y agoPerhaps there were no more people to charge? This was probably mostly Epstein’s and Maxwells private hobby, they presumably did not go around advertising the fact that the girls were underage.
- more_corn 4y agoBecause we don’t know how to hold wealthy and powerful people accountable in this country. See SBF, released on bail, immediately started stealing money from Alemeda and FTX wallets. Why the fuck does he have unsupervised access to a computer? Because we suck at this.
- PeterStuer 4y agoThe potential perpetrators can afford masses of top notch lawyers, so cases will have to be tight to lead to any convictions. Besides, who would benefit from the resulting loss in campaign contributions?
- PicassoCTs 4y agoWrite some of the suspected names here with Epstein in the same line and watch you getting downvoted by reputation cleansing bots within seconds.
- freejazz 4y agoLack of evidence that they did anything besides going on his plane, as a starter?
- mensetmanusman 4y agoDid Epstein kill himself?
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- jchw 4y agoLooking at the actual facts behind it, it seems likely yes. It starts to make a lot more sense once you research the facility that it occurred in, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Frankly, I don't really get the whole conspiracy anyways.
- idontwantthis 4y agoThere are so many levels to the conspiracy that I think some conspiracy must have occurred. He was in a notoriously unsafe prison: the fact that that exists is a conspiracy on its own. the fact that he wasn’t under constant surveillance, the fact that he was given a dangerous cell mate.
- mikeyouse 4y agoNone of that is remotely interesting to people with experience with prisons. There are tons of dangerous criminals and he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t, at which point he committed suicide. There aren’t enough resources to watch all of the prisoners all of the time, so he waited until he wasn’t being monitored and then committed suicide. Donald Trump ran the DOJ who controlled the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything and he was notoriously uninterested in details of things so just nothing else even plausibly makes sense from a conspiracy level.
- SoftTalker 4y ago> the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything You're arguing that his murder would have gone through official BOP channels?
- ksniwmidjd 4y agoI don’t understand how Ghauline got charged with underage child prostitution but none of her clients did. Who did she traffick them to? Makes me think politicians at the very highest level like Prince Andrew in the UK and a bunch in the US. It’s funny that the sketches for the Madeline McCann kidnappers look an awful lot like the Podesta brothers - the same ones with the creepy nude art of children in their homes. Also, can we just call it what it is - child prostitution?
- Ntrails 4y ago> Makes me think politicians at the very highest level like Prince Andrew in the UK and a bunch in the US. Prince Andrew was not a political creature though. His influence was built on other peoples money and access to power afaict. He had the right phone numbers to set up meetings between interested parties.
- lfodofod 4y agoGhislaine Maxwell was specifically charged with trafficking children to Epstein.
- ETH_start 4y agoLawyers after big damages are always going to try to blame every one even tangentially related to a crime for that crime, which encourages a society where we must presume every one guilty, until we prove them innocent, before engaging in a free market interaction with them. If cash were a bank that could pay damages, they would blame every crime where cash changed hands, for that crime, and it would become the most vilified bank in the world.
- wolverine876 4y agoThe party suing in this case is the government.
- ETH_start 4y agoAnd lawyers get a sizable commission on whatever damages are awarded. Litigating against deep-pocketed parties is an industry.
- wolverine876 4y agoThe attorney general does not work on commission.
- ETH_start 4y agoIs it confirmed that she's not hiring any law firms to assist in the litigation?
- wolverine876 4y agoDo you have evidence of anyone receiving a commission? We don't just make up things - the AG is from Mars! - and ask for evidence to the contrary.
- bbbbb5 4y agoIt's a bit weird to refer to the attorney general of the USVI as "the government", that's something you'd generally associate with the federal government. Not only that, said AG was apparently fired by the USVI government for bringing this suit, probably because the premise is fairly ridiculous https://viconsortium.com/vi-government/virgin-islands-attorneygeneral-denise-george-has-been-terminated- https://viconsortium.com/vi-government/virgin-islands-attorn...
- lizardactivist 4y agoI wonder how many more people we don't know about have been killed to keep this mess contained. Ghislaine's peculiarly friendly and apologizing comments about accused rapist and former U.S President Bill Clinton suggests who she suspects may be behind some of it. Coincidentally there's frequently talk about how several of his past associates seem to have been shot and killed.
- walkhour 4y agoWhy every single journalist in the country is not after the little black book, when it would be the biggest story in decades, is simply dumbfounding to me.
- rafram 4y agoIt’s been published: https://epsteinsblackbook.com/ https://epsteinsblackbook.com/ It’s not really that interesting. A name being in there doesn’t say anything about his relationship to the person. There are no notes, no explanations, just names.
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- walkhour 4y agoThank you, but this is a redacted version right [0]? [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-little-black-book-b1975864.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ghis...
- shapefrog 4y agohttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/i-called-everyone-in-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/i-called-everyo... I (personally) believe that most were Maxwells contacts, not epsteins.
- tranchms 4y agoEpstein didn’t kill himself.
- bbbbb5 4y agoWhy do you think so? He seems to have had very little reason to not kill himself, prison is a tough place for sex offenders.
- mikrotikker 4y agoNot for people of his status. Look at Maxwell, currently in a reportedly 5 star prison for the elite like her. There are a number of other reasons of course. The CCTV just happened to malfunction at the time of his death. His cell was cleared of anything that could be used to commit suicide, and the autopsy report showed inconsistencies with his reported method of suicide.
- bbbbb5 4y ago> Not for people of his status Name one similar case. > Look at Maxwell, currently in a reportedly 5 star prison for the elite like her. She's a woman, it's not the same. Besides, Maxwell is in FCI Tallahassee which is far from a 5 star prison. It's not even a FPC. Epstein wasn't going to have a nice life at club fed, he would've either have spent the rest of his life in the SHU or been repeatedly assaulted and eventually murdered by other inmates in gen pop. > The CCTV just happened to malfunction at the time of his death. His cell was cleared of anything that could be used to commit suicide, and the autopsy report showed inconsistencies with his reported method of suicide. The reality is that none of these things are true. The CCTV did not "just happen to malfunction at the time of his death", the CCTV footage was eventually recovered and showed nobody entering the cell. He had been taken off suicide watch and had bed sheets. His autopsy report did not actually show inconsistencies despite a fox talking head telling you so.
- factsarelolz 4y ago> the CCTV footage was eventually recovered and showed nobody entering the cell. Source? I haven't heard or seen this.
- elforce002 4y agoJust to be on the same page, is this the same bank who spent 1 Billion buying houses?
- oneoff786 4y agoMore like 1 billion building houses but yeah
- bbbbb5 4y agoThe AG who brought this suit was fired. Local media claims that it was over this suit. https://viconsortium.com/vi-government/virgin-islands-attorneygeneral-denise-george-has-been-terminated- https://viconsortium.com/vi-government/virgin-islands-attorn... I wouldn't read much into this, the content of the lawsuit seems pretty ridiculous.