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Jodorowsky's Star Wars

22 points by jajag 4y ago

HellDunkel 4y ago
More of the same. Is it even legal to train models on star wars artworks and if so, why doesn’t Disney shut it down?
- prepend 4y ago
  I don’t know if a precident has been set yet, but training is legal and the work is not a copy, but a derived work, so should be fine. Can’t use the trademarked terms and whatnot, but creating things in the style of seems legal. It’s like reading Tolkien books for 1000 hours and then writing a book that’s inspired by Tolkien. Or like making a painting in the style of Picasso, etc etc
  - HellDunkel 4y ago
    Lord of the rings is a good point. From what i understood this is a very difficult terrain to manouver leagally. Why is Disney so passive? I cannot imagine this to go on much longer.
    - gedy 4y ago
      Apart from the words "Star Wars" in title this is clearly a derivative/inspiration, not a copy.
      - HellDunkel 4y ago
        Oh sure- try and make a sci-fi movie with anything vaguely resembling a lightsaber…
        prepend 4y ago
        I think that’s more due to cultural uniqueness than legal restrictions.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    This is a common misconceptiom. "Derived work" does NOT mean "copyright of original does not apply". It means "copyright of original DOES apply, in addition to copyright on the modifications."
  - cwillu 4y ago
    I think you're thinking of “transformative”; a derived work is by itself still subject to the copyright of the source material.
- hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 4y ago
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ImHereToVote 4y ago
"Concept artist" lol
Twirrim 4y ago
We're just making up and sharing fake film history, without stating that it's fake, as a way to show off some concept art? WTF? There are so many different and better ways to present such work without that kind of nonsense detracting from it.
- ericd 4y ago
  It’s showing off the capabilities of generative models. As someone who loves both Jodorowsky’s Dune and ML, these are awesome.
krapp 4y ago
Not as interesting as the "Jodorowsky's Tron" posted here a month ago [0,1]. I do like the way Midjourney does technical stuff like the big red droids here[2] though. I like the one R2 droid with what looks like a stormtrooper helmet for a head. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33752684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33752684 [1]https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell/ https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...
- climb_stealth 4y ago
  You missed the [2] url :) I'm curious what the droids look like!
  - krapp 4y ago
    oops. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/724/916/large/mark-fielding-img-1031.jpg?1669929667 https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/724/9... (bottom left) https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/762/052/large/mark-fielding-img-1179.jpg?1670014278 https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/762/0... (bottom right)
hgsgm 4y ago
These lack the artistry of the originals. They look awkward.
- dang 4y ago
  Sorry for offtopicness: I've unbanned this and what I believe to be one of your other accounts, because they've been posting within the site guidelines lately. It's not great to use multiple accounts to comment regularly, but I'd rather see good comments unkilled. If you feel like merging the accounts, let us know at hn@ycombinator.com and we can do that for you.

22 points by jajag 4y ago

HellDunkel 4y ago

More of the same. Is it even legal to train models on star wars artworks and if so, why doesn’t Disney shut it down?

prepend 4y ago
I don’t know if a precident has been set yet, but training is legal and the work is not a copy, but a derived work, so should be fine. Can’t use the trademarked terms and whatnot, but creating things in the style of seems legal. It’s like reading Tolkien books for 1000 hours and then writing a book that’s inspired by Tolkien. Or like making a painting in the style of Picasso, etc etc
- HellDunkel 4y ago
  Lord of the rings is a good point. From what i understood this is a very difficult terrain to manouver leagally. Why is Disney so passive? I cannot imagine this to go on much longer.
  - gedy 4y ago
    Apart from the words "Star Wars" in title this is clearly a derivative/inspiration, not a copy.
    - HellDunkel 4y ago
      Oh sure- try and make a sci-fi movie with anything vaguely resembling a lightsaber…
      - prepend 4y ago
        I think that’s more due to cultural uniqueness than legal restrictions.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  This is a common misconceptiom. "Derived work" does NOT mean "copyright of original does not apply". It means "copyright of original DOES apply, in addition to copyright on the modifications."
- cwillu 4y ago
  I think you're thinking of “transformative”; a derived work is by itself still subject to the copyright of the source material.
hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 4y ago
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ImHereToVote 4y ago

"Concept artist" lol

Twirrim 4y ago

We're just making up and sharing fake film history, without stating that it's fake, as a way to show off some concept art? WTF? There are so many different and better ways to present such work without that kind of nonsense detracting from it.

ericd 4y ago
It’s showing off the capabilities of generative models. As someone who loves both Jodorowsky’s Dune and ML, these are awesome.

krapp 4y ago

Not as interesting as the "Jodorowsky's Tron" posted here a month ago [0,1]. I do like the way Midjourney does technical stuff like the big red droids here[2] though. I like the one R2 droid with what looks like a stormtrooper helmet for a head. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33752684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33752684 [1]https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisations-by-johnny-darrell/ https://www.djfood.org/fantasy-jodorowsky-tron-visualisation...

climb_stealth 4y ago
You missed the [2] url :) I'm curious what the droids look like!
- krapp 4y ago
  oops. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/724/916/large/mark-fielding-img-1031.jpg?1669929667 https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/724/9... (bottom left) https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/762/052/large/mark-fielding-img-1179.jpg?1670014278 https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/056/762/0... (bottom right)

hgsgm 4y ago

These lack the artistry of the originals. They look awkward.

dang 4y ago
Sorry for offtopicness: I've unbanned this and what I believe to be one of your other accounts, because they've been posting within the site guidelines lately. It's not great to use multiple accounts to comment regularly, but I'd rather see good comments unkilled. If you feel like merging the accounts, let us know at hn@ycombinator.com and we can do that for you.