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As with any male-specific problem, the progressive left will blame it on patriarchy and oppose any solution.
by dandare 4y ago
As with any male-specific problem, the progressive left will blame it on patriarchy and oppose any solution.
- tshaddox 4y agoWhat are some examples of proposed solutions that the progressive left would oppose?
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- rabuse 4y agoControversial take, but the reinstitution of gender roles.
- falcolas 4y agoAnd how would traditional gender roles solve the lonely death problem?
- nibbleshifter 4y ago[flagged]
- Mezzie 4y agoAnd that said state appointed waifu wouldn't poison them. All forcing me and my peers to be someone's wife would do is cause a drastic increase in 'accidental' deaths involving mixed household cleaners or improperly prepared food. Teehee, don't blame us, after all, you said yourselves we're too stupid to be trusted! You'd have to go full Taliban/Gilead and cut off education/take the decades to brainwash the girls. It'd take a few generations before (most of) the women would comply, so none of the men arguing for it now would even benefit. Which is why I'm convinced it's all an edgy LARP - the right wing version of 18 and 19 year old undergraduate anti-capitalists who can't tell you what capitalism actually IS. (I'm anti-capitalist myself but they make my side look bad...)
- tshaddox 4y agoProbably depends on how “traditional” they’re talking about. Treating women as property whose marriages are arranged by their parents would probably help some otherwise lonely men. If it weren’t for the pesky progressive left to oppose that.
- isthisthingon99 4y agoThe number of women asking me to arrange a marriage for them is non trivial. There is a reason it was done that way and it had nothing to do with women being property.
- martythemaniak 4y agoSo if we just force enough people to do your bidding without question, then your life will be easier and happier. The reason there are lots of lonely men out there is because they self-radicalize themselves on garbage ideology like this, and it becomes impossible for them to form relationships or integrate into society.
- nibbleshifter 4y agoYep, they believe in this horseshit a and then are shocked and appalled when women (and other men) want nothing to do with them. Basically selecting themselves out of the gene pool by being fucking idiots.
- the_doctah 4y agoThey self-radicalize themselves on the "garbage" ideology that there are two genders? The prevailing sentiment of the rest of the world outside of a segment of western liberals hell bent on changing everyone else?
- nemothekid 4y agoI don't particularly agree, but how would you reinstitute gender roles? The president cannot pass a decree that women should be confined to the kitchen. "Traditional" gender roles broke down once wage growth flatlined and it was impossible to support a family on a single income. If you focus on the economic issues - especially those of inequality, it seems to me you would fix far more issues than focusing on social ones. Unfortunately, the "progressive left" is the only political sect that seems to care about these issues but the economic issues don't get nearly the same airtime as the social ones. Drag shows seem to get 1000x the coverage than unions.
- scarmig 4y agoYou're right, but you miss a key point: much of what we call "the progressive left" is just corporate and professional managerial class value signaling. It's easy and low cost to call people names and culture war, so activism and attention gets directed (on both sides) toward drag queen story time hour instead of making sure everyone has access to a solid, stable, safe job.
- nemothekid 4y ago>corporate and professional managerial class value signaling This isn't true. The corporate and professional managerial class are not the same people unionizing coffeeshops and railroads. This is a elite backed misdirection in the same vein that focuses drag shows. It's difficult to take people seriously when those same "corporate and professional managerial class" are called the "progressive left" while be simultaneously anti-union. Must of what you call "the progressive left" are also just anti-religious conservatives (or left-leaning libertarians at best).
- scarmig 4y agoDon't reinstitute gender roles, but recognize that while women have made lots of progress men are still strictly held to their historical gender role, and that the only way forward is to open up the roles available for men.
- tshaddox 4y agoWhat about historical gender roles for men would cause a lot of men to be lonely now?
- scarmig 4y agoEmotional stoicism. Homophobia leading to homosocial connections being stigmatized. Men being objectified for their economic utility leading to them investing less in personal relationships and development. The stereotype of men being dangerous, leading to aversion to people initiating connections with them and less receptiveness when they do attempt to initiate. And, above all, the idea that men are hyperagents and thus always responsible for their own issues, and that society shouldn't do anything to help them.
- Qem 4y agoWorking long hours outside.
- gedy 4y agoEncourage nuclear families, marriage with children. With that said, there seems to be some unique circumstances in Korea as it's not what I'd call a progressive culture and they have a very low birthrate.
- orwin 4y agoI mean, yes, but there is 108 male for 100 female at birth, what does it solve? And do you want to force those 100 female to each marry a guy, even if they don't want to?
- gedy 4y agoThat's what I'm getting at with unique circumstances. And of course there is a wide spectrum between forced marriage and encouraging.
- orwin 4y agoNaturally, we birth more males than females. The natural ratio seems to be 1.05 and not 1.08 like i thought. No idea why.
- Apocryphon 4y agoYou know what would help encourage that? Widespread affordable home ownership and debt relief. Yet that is a problem from west to east.
- gernb 4y agoWouldn't it be the other way? If home ownership (and renting) became so expensive no one could possibly do it without multiple incomes people would be forced to find roommates.
- Apocryphon 4y agoDoesn’t seem to be the case. > macroeconomic conditions such as soaring housing prices and intense employment pressure also come into play, forcing many people to give up trying to tie the knot https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3204140/young-chinese-put-kids-marriage-back-burner-record-rate-cost-pressures-and-covid-overwhelm https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3204140/y...
- leeroyjenkins11 4y agoEncouraging people to marry and have committed monogamous relationships. Create a stigma to encourage people to only have sex inside of committed marriage relationships so when they get older the have a lasting relationship with someone. Also it's would help killing the sex trade as a young man will pe willing to pay for it via websites or in person, but don't form those long term relationships before it's too late.
- orwin 4y agoLike I said in a sister comment, you have 108 male to 100 female at birth (correction: 105 to 100[0] in the US), so what do you do with the 'leftovers'? And if some females don't want to play house now that they can survive on their own, do you force them to play? [0] https://www.who.int/data/maternal-newborn-child-adolescent-ageing/indicator-explorer-new/mca/sex-ratio-at-birth-(male-births-per-female-births) https://www.who.int/data/maternal-newborn-child-adolescent-a...
- virtual_void 4y agoNot everyone is heterosexual…
- foobarian 4y agoMaybe it's an adaptation that arose as a result of the constant state of war, which is now gone.
- throwaway290 4y agoExcess at-birth human males die way younger than females. From other males and higher genetic variance. It evens out and even skews the other way.
- bradlys 4y agoJust look at age bar charts and you’ll see this isn’t accurate for developed countries…
- safety1st 4y agoBanning birth control. I don't support doing that myself, but if you look at the US two of the demographics with the highest reproduction rates are Mormons and Hispanic Catholics. Both follow religious prohibitions against birth control. The progressive left firmly supports the right to an abortion as well as the right to use contraceptives so that answers your question. From a demographic standpoint what's basically happening in the US is atheist liberals are wringing their hands and dying childless as various religious people produce the next generation that will replace them (Muslims have a very high birth rate too). All that said, the article was about South Korea which has very different politics. In South Korea I don't think there is a big left/right divide over this and the main issue is probably that they're working themselves to death instead of having kids.
- Apocryphon 4y agoConsider the prioritization of abstinence-only education in the early 2000s. Did that produce pro-natalist effects? LDS fertility has dropped to replacement level rates. Church membership has been dropping, as well. https://religionnews.com/2019/06/15/the-incredible-shrinking-mormon-american-family/ https://religionnews.com/2019/06/15/the-incredible-shrinking... Latino birth rates have been declining as well- https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/587164-fewer-births-by-latina-women-contributed-to-us/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/58... > Muslims have a very high birth rate too Muslims are not a monolithic bloc. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/iran-bans-vasectomies-and-contraceptives-to-improve-birth-rate https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/iran-bans-vase... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-01/while-asia-wants-a-baby-boom-indonesia-says-enough-is-enough https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-01/while-asi...
- Qem 4y agoOne solution that the progressive left would surely not oppose would be reducing maximum acceptable work hours, cracking down on business forcing employees to work long hours on a daily basis. It wrecks social life. It's worse now that it became unacceptable to try fulfill some social needs at work. For example, trying to date coworkers became almost automatically equated to sexual harassment or stalking.
- GingerMidas 4y agoDAE, LEFT=BAD all of the times?
- orwin 4y agoWhat solution would the left oppose? More community centers? More associations ? More shared buildings? Unions? Associations reaching older people to have them house students during their studies in exchange for physical help around the house? I mean, I'm pretty sure 'the Left' don't disagree with those solutions, do you have any?
- n6koma7a 4y ago[flagged]
- monkey_monkey 4y agoI think you should spend less time worrying about the progressive left and more time trying to ensure you don't end up sharing the fate TFA is talking about.
- Mistletoe 4y agoJust so we are clear here, are you suggesting we reinstate the patriarchy so that more women are forced into marriage with men they hate so that less lonely men will be found badly decomposed?
- lern_too_spel 4y agoGP thinks we should go back to religions that teach people to have as many kids as possible and to subjugate women, as they do in conservative countries. He didn't get the memo that the fertility rate in UAE is now 1.37.
- Apocryphon 4y agoWonder how much of that is propped up by immigrant workers, as it is in the States.
- bongoman37 4y ago[dead]
- the_doctah 4y agoThe destruction of the nuclear family and traditional family values finally rears its ugly head.
- Apocryphon 4y agoThe nuclear family was already a postwar, industrial era, departure from traditional family values. Traditional societies almost universally prioritize multigenerational households.
- scarmig 4y ago"Multigenerational households" doesn't really describe what we're moving towards, though. We're going from larger to progressively smaller household units. Nuclear families were an unfortunate step of this atomization, and now even they are being broken down further.
- Apocryphon 4y agoWe’re not moving towards it at all. Just saying it’s a short-sighted anachronism to claim that nuclear families somehow represent traditional values.
- throwawaysleep 4y agoNot really. Many men are just downright unpleasant to know, yet alone have relationships with. The ugly head was when women were forced into relationships with these men.
- yongjik 4y agoWhat's up with these comments that are completely detached from any aspects of South Korea? Do they look at the phrases "middle aged men" and "lonely death", and just go auto-pilot on political rants?