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This is a situation that will affect too many men worldwide as they are more likely to live single / be childless. The solution is to have communities or networ
by seydor 4y ago
This is a situation that will affect too many men worldwide as they are more likely to live single / be childless. The solution is to have communities or networks of people built explitictly around the idea of caring for others.
- isthisthingon99 4y ago[flagged]
- odiroot 4y agoHey, why have a health care at all?
- stuartjohnson12 4y agoThe solution to kitten punting isn't to stop punting kittens because the kittens are clearly not strong enough to avoid being punted. This is brutal, I know, but kitten punting is unfortunately the reality of life on earth. No reason why kittens should be exempt. The solution to thirst isn't to provide water because the thirsty are clearly not strong enough to find water. This is brutal, I know, but thirst is unfortunately the reality of life on earth. No reason why people should be exempt.
- RGamma 4y agoKitten punting... now that's a thing I didn't want to know exists.
- Pigalowda 4y agoLet the good god Darwin sort it out? That is the way it’s always been and is currently - I highly doubt any real “solution” exists outside of home health care robots or automated wellness checks
- isthisthingon99 4y agoExactly. The proposed solutions are... inhuman. So.
- waboremo 4y agoAt the very least, if you're going to propose a solution (to any problem), make sure it actually tackles the problem so that the problem is lessened or ceases to exist after the solution is applied. Otherwise what you've proposed isn't a solution at all, just a nonsensical statement. I would even go a step further and call your specific statement lacking empathy, bordering on sociopathic.
- isthisthingon99 4y agoMy friend, I have had to look into this abyss myself. Although I must admit that my skillset did allow me to escape, I do not believe that all man must succumb to this outcome.
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- wldcordeiro 4y agoThis is a disgusting viewpoint to have.
- ajmurmann 4y agoI wonder how these might look. Building relationships is really hard and ultimately that's what's needed. To build relationships, you need repeated exposure and need to overcome an initial barrier of familiarity to get to the point where you can have meaningful interactions and not just smalltalk. Given men are also bad at maintaining relationships, I wonder if something like different, more communal living arrangements would be beneficial. I am thinking something like a dorm, but more luxurious with the common areas being more of a focus. An idea that might accelerate overcoming the initial familiarity barrier might be something like the "question to fall in love" that made their rounds a few years back. I've seen a speed-dating version of similar, increasingly intimate questions build enormous feeling of trust within ~30 minutes as an icebreaker at a T-Group.
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- seydor 4y agoTransactional but also intentional. Nothing more or less. Men are not bad at maintaining relationships, that is a falsehood. Historically, men built all the hierarchical structures we have today. Antrhopologists used to say that men build a large and shallow network of relationships (while women prefer small but more intimate groups or pairs). It doesn't have to involve communal living, but instead regular gatherings. Basically what traditional groups like church or brotherhoods like the freemasons did. Currently, however, there is a stigma against those things which has to be overcome
- ajmurmann 4y agoI'm not sure if the shallow, mostly transactional relations men build help in the context of loneliness. Non-religious versions of "churches" seem to fail due to a lack of regular attendance. Free Masons seem to have solved this by building some kinds of pressure to attend. I genuinely wonder why they fell out of favor. Did they just become uncool?
- foobarian 4y ago
- sushzbdbehsh 4y agonot sure that meshes well with the deities of profit and wealth
- seydor 4y agoI don't see a reason why it would not be commercially exploitable either. Trade and commerce is part of any human community
- throwawaysleep 4y agoActivities have increasingly become profit focused. Not sure why friends couldn’t also be.
- throwawaysleep 4y agoI think it suffers from the problem that people who provide caring don’t need this, so you are stuck with the net takers and trying to build a community from them.
- rayiner 4y agoIt’s called kinship networks built around people with blood ties. In tens of thousands of years nobody has figured out any stronger bond.
- goodpoint 4y agoThat's plain false. A lot of cultures treated relationships between mentor and student or friends or army comrades as more important than family. The extreme focus on nuclear family is very recent, less than 200 years.
- bigbillheck 4y agoThe blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
- skinnymuch 4y agoThis is a western and modern idea.
- safety1st 4y agoRight those exist, they're called families. Actually they've existed for longer than humans. It turns out that many animals, particularly mammals and including us, have evolved this behavior where they live with their blood relatives and take care of them, it has worked pretty well for millions of years. Now it so happens that in many modern human societies there's a declining birth rate and consequently fewer families are being formed. South Korea's one of the worst off in this regard. You end up with a lot of people being alone and dying alone (the majority are male but women are far from immune). Why are people not starting families? Well I haven't seen Korea-specific information but I think it's the same as most countries, people typically cite medical and financial reasons. So basically you have to address cost of living, cost of raising a kid and rising infertility to address this, among other things. However for a number of societies including Korea's it's probably too late. Koreans can't have more families and your solution probably won't work either. The reason is that the demographic collapse is so extreme, the population is increasingly too old to produce a new generation or take care of other people. There just aren't enough young people to go around. These societies either have to accept mass immigration or collapse. The next few decades will be interesting.
- seydor 4y agothat's irrelevant though. People at old age have already lost many of their peers, so they have mostly children to rely on. But people now have fewer children than ever and they are likely to be away. And i dont think parents or children want to be forced to live with each other just for this. We also shouldn't be shaming people for not living with their family. That's why we need something else (and maybe there's an entrepreneurial idea there) Also keep in mind that , particularly for men, the nuclear family living was not the norm until the past few generations. Men used to spent most of their time in men/gentlement's spaces socializing/doing business while the wife was at home with kids. This 'loneliness' thing happens because those other spaces are gone now
- safety1st 4y agoIt's not irrelevant. I think the point you're missing is that there are not enough young able-bodied people to take care of the lonely old people. There is a numbers issue. Like in your solution you assume that people exist will be people who are young and have energy and have resources. These people do not exist. Not enough to take care of the massive number of old and sick people being created anyway. Here's an illustration: https://ourworldindata.org/global-population-pyramid https://ourworldindata.org/global-population-pyramid This is referred to as an inverted population pyramid but really it ends up looking more like a bell. The world used to have lots of young people and not many old people. The flattening of the peak which has happened in only 30 years is stunning! This will keep getting worse until the end of the century. Korea's population pyramid looks way worse than the one I linked above by the way. From age 60 down it actually is inverted. Again, there are no young people left to do the caretaking you envision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea#/media/File:South_Korea_Population_Pyramid.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea#/m...